Perfect sitchuashun wrote:
Great run by Kincaid but it wasn’t PED- take his prior 5K best time, let him draft with perfect pacing for 4600! Meters in perfect conditions (low temp, zero wind), in a small field so he ran zero extra distance- and thats how you get from 13:12 or whatever to sub 13.
How’s that Kool-Aid taste?
More Dissapointment wrote:
This leads me to the question the statement, "is everyone at this level doping?"
If so, then were (are) NCAA champs who have proven they can run with the best, ie Murphy, Brazier, Engels, Hoppel, doping? I find it hard to believe these guys were doping in college and into now. I thought the consensus on if guys doped in college was.. probably not.
Furthermore, someone like Clayton who ran his 800m PR shortly after his NCAA champs and prior to joining NOP, I just don't think he's dirty. Same kind of situation with Brazier, Hoppel, Engels in their own ways.
Maybe I'm too optimistic, but idk.
You really should educate yourself on the lack of testing which occurs in college track & field. College track is literally the easiest place to dope and not get caught.
Two of the leading contenders for the women's 1500 are Salazar athletes. It's like saying Lydiard - as a coach, not a competitor - gets a doping ban but Snell and Halberg were cool.
fortherecord wrote:
To be clear, there’s no evidence or reason to believe that any current or former athletes were doping. The L-carnitine infusion (in which none of the athletes could possibly know the amount) even if legal, was not done orderly enough to prove innocence.
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imagine vindicating the brojos like this. "no reason" i'm dying over here.
AlSal, will be 65 when he's eligible to coach again, so this is likely a career-ender.
Can he still hang out at Nike or will he be banned from campus and have his name taken off a building?
LetsRun.com wrote:
The main details:
-Salazar had been under investigation by USADA since the BBC/ProPublica report in 2015
-Salazar and Dr. Jeffrey Brown were charged by USADA in March 2017. They fought the case with Nike-paid lawyers and it went to arbitration.
-Per the BBC's Mark Daly, "the violations relate to banned steroids, prohibited methods and tampering with evidence to thwart investigators."
Here's what Salazar and Brown were banned for, per USADA
The panel determined that Salazar committed the following violations of the Code:
-Administration of a Prohibited Method (with respect to an infusion in excess of the applicable limit),
-Tampering and/or attempted tampering with NOP athletes’ doping control process, and
-Trafficking and/or Attempted Trafficking of testosterone.
The panel determined that Brown violated anti-doping rules by:
-Tampering with L-carnitine records under WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) Code Art. 2.5 (2009 & 2015), which carries a sanction of 2 years WADA Code Art. 10.3.1 (2009), and 4 years under WADA Code Art. 10.3.1 (2015).
-Administration of an over-limit L-carnitine infusion under WADA Code Art. 2.8 (2009 & 2015), which carries a minimum sanction of 4 years up to a maximum lifetime ban under WADA Code Art. 10.3.2 (2009) and WADA Code Art. 10.3.3 (2015).
-Complicity in Salazar’s trafficking of testosterone under WADA Code Art. 2.8 (2009) and WADA Code Art. 2.9 (2015). Under WADA Code Art. 10.3.2 (2009), a complicity violation carries a minimum sanction of 4 years up to a maximum lifetime ban. Under WADA Code Art. 10.3.4 (2015), a complicity violation carries a sanction of 2 to 4 years.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/49882757USADA statement:
https://www.usada.org/sanction/aaa-panel-4-year-sanctions-alberto-salazar-jeffrey-brown/
Oh yeah! Inject it straight into my veins!
Justice!
Gramps wrote:
AlSal, will be 65 when he's eligible to coach again, so this is likely a career-ender.
Lots of coaches are older than that.
Gramps wrote:
Can he still hang out at Nike
Of course he can.
skruB wrote:
Wow. I'm very interested to see if we find out what the specific incident was that resulted in the banning, or if it's a combination of many, many things.
The LRC witch hunt. I knew this would happen from the very beginning.
Meanwhile, the real doper Radcliffe continues to go free.
Of course. Like Gatlin and Mitchell.
This is hilarious wrote:
More Dissapointment wrote:
This leads me to the question the statement, "is everyone at this level doping?"
If so, then were (are) NCAA champs who have proven they can run with the best, ie Murphy, Brazier, Engels, Hoppel, doping? I find it hard to believe these guys were doping in college and into now. I thought the consensus on if guys doped in college was.. probably not.
Furthermore, someone like Clayton who ran his 800m PR shortly after his NCAA champs and prior to joining NOP, I just don't think he's dirty. Same kind of situation with Brazier, Hoppel, Engels in their own ways.
Maybe I'm too optimistic, but idk.
You really should educate yourself on the lack of testing which occurs in college track & field. College track is literally the easiest place to dope and not get caught.
I understand how easy it is, but are you implying that means the top guys are all doping? I know several guys running at top tier programs and by growing up with them and knowing their coaches, I can say at least for the most part that they're not on drugs.
Is anyone at Doha now? How does this work. Is he on site w his athletes and literally forced to leave them without advice/coaching. Imagine being Haasan and looking back and your coach is no longer your coach?
sky wrote:
If Rupp's 2016 medal is in danger, would the same be true for Farah?
Not necessarily since Farah had broken with Salazar and NOP by then. On the one hand, I don't see HOW Farah could've trained clean leading up to 2012 given what is being revealed, but I don't know how far back the IOC can retroactively strip medals. Maybe if they retest samples? Don't get me wrong, I think now that Farah and Rupp are both dirty, but given the circumstances, Rupp is in far greater danger, because he never broke ties with Salazar, and everyone would agree that the two were closer than any other athlete in NOP, bordering on it being secretive.
can trump do an audit of the CIA to try and find what they were giving jim ryun?
More Dissapointment wrote:
This is hilarious wrote:
You really should educate yourself on the lack of testing which occurs in college track & field. College track is literally the easiest place to dope and not get caught.
I understand how easy it is, but are you implying that means the top guys are all doping? I know several guys running at top tier programs and by growing up with them and knowing their coaches, I can say at least for the most part that they're not on drugs.
What is it like to be that naive?
My Goodness!!! Slow News Day!!!
I feel bad for Jordan unless she's juiced.
I feel bad for Galen's wife and kids because he'll always have an asterisk associated with him like most NOP athletes.
I think Nike should be broken up along with Google, Facebook, Apple, and the Democratic party.
T.M.A.D.D.D.H.A.S.F.N.E.
answer right here wrote:
Gramps wrote:
AlSal, will be 65 when he's eligible to coach again, so this is likely a career-ender.
Lots of coaches are older than that.
Gramps wrote:
Can he still hang out at Nike
Of course he can.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
MarathonMan411 wrote:
Is anyone at Doha now? How does this work. Is he on site w his athletes and literally forced to leave them without advice/coaching. Imagine being Haasan and looking back and your coach is no longer your coach?
I doubt Salazar even went.
Tim Rowberry looks after and helps coach Sifan and Yomif. And Pete is likely there as well.
Brianruns10 wrote:
sky wrote:
If Rupp's 2016 medal is in danger, would the same be true for Farah?
Not necessarily since Farah had broken with Salazar and NOP by then. On the one hand, I don't see HOW Farah could've trained clean leading up to 2012 given what is being revealed, but I don't know how far back the IOC can retroactively strip medals. Maybe if they retest samples? Don't get me wrong, I think now that Farah and Rupp are both dirty, but given the circumstances, Rupp is in far greater danger, because he never broke ties with Salazar, and everyone would agree that the two were closer than any other athlete in NOP, bordering on it being secretive.
I thought Farah parted ways with Salazar in 2017, but perhaps I'm mistaken.
sky wrote:
Brianruns10 wrote:
Not necessarily since Farah had broken with Salazar and NOP by then. On the one hand, I don't see HOW Farah could've trained clean leading up to 2012 given what is being revealed, but I don't know how far back the IOC can retroactively strip medals. Maybe if they retest samples? Don't get me wrong, I think now that Farah and Rupp are both dirty, but given the circumstances, Rupp is in far greater danger, because he never broke ties with Salazar, and everyone would agree that the two were closer than any other athlete in NOP, bordering on it being secretive.
I thought Farah parted ways with Salazar in 2017, but perhaps I'm mistaken.
Correct. Al still coached Farah in Rio.
bobbly valentine wrote:
he will just sit in the stands wearing a fake mustache and a mets cap.
Well played dad.