Olympic Marathon Silver Medalist Eunice Kirwa Busted for EPO Doping

Is that relevant for two violations? Back then I read:

10 years - life? So 4 years sounds like she got off easy.

Thank you, I was not aware of that.

How can Canova's conspiracy "still be on the table" despite the CAS ruling when according to IAAF anti-doping experts (e.g., Dr. Schumacher), Jeptoo's ABP data from Boston is indicative of doping with EPO.

Let's look at a couple of the findings:

(CAS 2015/A/3979)

Paragraph 49. d) The ABP finding:

Six ABP samples were collected from April 11, 2012 & October 10, 2014. The sample (#4) collected on April 17, 2014 (4 days before Boston) were "compatible with exogenous erythropoietic stimulation . Other pathological conditions...are quite unlikely."

(2) Multiple intentional use of EPO on other occasions.

Paragraph 151:

"The values obtained from the athlete's ABP sample exceeded the upper and lower limits expected for the athlete. The likelyhood of the athlete having such high Hgb and RET% sequences (absent any doping) was only 1 in 1000."

Note her RET% was 2.5%!

In addition, another top female was caught doping at Boston: Aleksandra Duliba of Belarus finished 6th running a PB and NR of 2:21:29. She later served a ban for ABP hematological anomalies resulting in the Boston time & NR annulled.

Not deflecting. According to you, I only had two choices: a) pretending that the IAAF can be trusted, despite its history of corruption, b) pretending that blood/EPO doping does not help at the top Then, according to you, by my silence, I actually was not silent, but instead I chose b), therefore not choosing a), therefore not trusting the IAAF. Many others were silent too -- I wonder if they chose b) too. But these choices are not mutually exclusive. We can also chose both a) and b), or reject both a) and b). Neither of these choices mention Canova.

I guess it would not relevant for two violations, but in Jeptoo's case, they considered it one violation: "157. It follows from Article 10.7.4 WADC and ADR 40.7(d)(i) that the violations uncovered through the ABP ... and the violation uncovered through the doping control ... constitute, not factually, but legally a single offence ("considered together as one single violation")" I guess if it is two violations, she is entitled to two trials. By the way, if I'm not mistaken, the 4 years is up. As of 31 Oct. 2018, she is again eligible to compete.

I thought it was pretty clear what I meant from the text above. The CAS ruling doesn't preclude that there was also strong pressure from the World Majors, and also strong public pressure on the IAAF.

The ABP tells the story wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I don't see a conflict between:

c) there existing intense pressure to find a way to justify avoiding a payout, and

d) there also being sufficient evidence to properly annul the earlier performance, something those applying pressure couldn't have known

Not having been debunked or contradicted, Renato's conspiracy is still on the table despite the IAAF testimony and the CAS ruling.

How can Canova's conspiracy "still be on the table" despite the CAS ruling when according to IAAF anti-doping experts (e.g., Dr. Schumacher), Jeptoo's ABP data from Boston is indicative of doping with EPO.

rekrunner wrote:

I thought it was pretty clear what I meant from the text above.

The CAS ruling doesn't preclude that there was also strong pressure from the World Majors, and also strong public pressure on the IAAF.

That's beside the point. Straw man as per usual.

The conspiracy theory was that Jeptoo was clean until August 2014, and was disqualified for Boston (April 2014) because of the wishes of the majors organizers. You continue to ignore the first part of this theory.

Is there any possible way that you two d!pshits might exchange email addresses? Your arguments back and forth really screw up a thread. Somehow or another, rekrunner is ajways part of this annoyance. It's really gotten old.

Oh, I thought the conspiracy theory was just the World Marathon Majors pressuring the IAAF to do something wrong.

casual obsever wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I thought it was pretty clear what I meant from the text above.

The CAS ruling doesn't preclude that there was also strong pressure from the World Majors, and also strong public pressure on the IAAF.

That's beside the point. Straw man as per usual.

The conspiracy theory was that Jeptoo was clean until August 2014, and was disqualified for Boston (April 2014) because of the wishes of the majors organizers. You continue to ignore the first part of this theory.

Not likely. The irony now is that this was a topic I had previously remained silent, and somehow I was also faulted for my silence.

Mods? Anyone? wrote:

Is there any possible way that you two d!pshits might exchange email addresses? Your arguments back and forth really screw up a thread. Somehow or another, rekrunner is ajways part of this annoyance. It's really gotten old.

Well, the case itself is kind of done. What do you want to discuss? The impact on the other runners? Shalane's tweet? She thinks one can't compete against dopers...

@ShalaneFlanagan on the latest positive drug test, speaking for @des_linden and @HastyHastings: "I’ll be honest, it did crush our souls a bit in Rio. I’ve never felt so deflated and defeated. The race was already written before I ran it."

Of course both Sumgong and Kirwa will keep their dirty medals.

Fish 'n chips wrote:

To beat these guys/get close to them, runners will have to do what Julian, Zane, Jake, and Sondre have done. Or, they'll have to dope/have immense natural talent. Which leads me into Doping With The Kenyans...

How do we know these guys are clean? They'll be a product of the environment that they live, they might be dirtier than the locals. Who knows?

LDoc wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

All of us? Rudisha, Kiprop, Koech, Kipkoech, Soi, Longosiwa?

Compare their times with today's Kenyan times...

You forgot Lagat.

None of the runners you quoted has ever had a positive A sample.

But this crowd is significantly faster than the present crowd failing doping tests and the present crowd failing tests are subject to only lousy testing as opposed to their predecessor's who had none.

This Is Getting Ridiculous With Kenya wrote:

They gave Russia the death penalty and Kenya gets off with being put on this silly "watch list." Yeah...boy; we'll keep watching them getting busted for doping. ?

Lol hilarious, the BroJos should start taking odds on who fails next.

+1

Letsrun rumor is that 2 of the ladies placing high in London this year tested positive.

Let's hope it is true.

Wanna bett?

casual obsever wrote:

+1

Letsrun rumor is that 2 of the ladies placing high in London this year tested positive.

Let's hope it is true.

Wanna bett?

That's funny casual...and I bett things will get even worse for Kenya before they get better.

rekrunner wrote:

Not likely. The irony now is that this was a topic I had previously remained silent, and somehow I was also faulted for my silence.

Mods? Anyone? wrote:

Is there any possible way that you two d!pshits might exchange email addresses? Your arguments back and forth really screw up a thread. Somehow or another, rekrunner is ajways part of this annoyance. It's really gotten old.

Rekrunner, you can never be faulted for your silence. It can only be celebrated. It is what you have to say that is largely unreadable.

casual obsever wrote:

Well, the case itself is kind of done. What do you want to discuss? The impact on the other runners?

Shalane's tweet? She thinks one can't compete against dopers...

[quote]@ShalaneFlanagan on the latest positive drug test, speaking for @des_linden and @HastyHastings: "I’ll be honest, it did crush our souls a bit in Rio. I’ve never felt so deflated and defeated. The race was already written before I ran it."

Exactly...and that's what is ignored in these conversations with career dopers. We have a career doper in Sumgong who was dealt an 8 yr ban (doubled to 8 yrs for lying about & fabricating medical records!) will still be in the record books as the 2016 Olympic champion. She can also be introduced as an Olympic champion and that medal will be proudly displayed in her trophy case.

Now comes the silver medalist from Rio, Kirwa, who also tests positive for EPO. She'll be banned for the customary 4 year first time ban but keeps the Olympic silver as well as her 2015 WC bronze medal!

Wow...what a system the IAAF has with career dopers. We'll ban you but you can keep your ill-gotten Olympic/WC medals and stay in the record books. Lol.

Mods? Anyone? wrote:

Is there any possible way that you two d!pshits might exchange email addresses? Your arguments back and forth really screw up a thread. Somehow or another, rekrunner is ajways part of this annoyance. It's really gotten old.

+1

This Is Getting Ridiculous With Kenya wrote:

Jeptoo should be lifetime banned! IMO, the IAAF should ban the entire Kenyan Athletics like they did with Russia!

This is getting egregious with Kenya. You've got Olympic & WC medalists, major marathon title winners and even a WR holder now all getting caught for doping!

Don't you think it's disgusting that both the gold & silver medalist from Rio are busted for doping?!?

The IAAF needs to send a strong message to Kenya and quit treating them with kid gloves!

They gave Russia the death penalty and Kenya gets off with being put on this silly "watch list." Yeah...boy; we'll keep watching them getting busted for doping. ?

As others have noted, there is something going on behind the scenes to protect the dope fueled E. Africans. The Ethiopians do a better job of completely avoiding out of competition testing at all costs, but they're just as dirty. Imagine if a WHITE European nation were caught with the level of dopers in middle and long distance running as we've seen with Kenyans - Kenyans who are enjoying a high level of behind the scenes protection whenever possible. The Africans have shown themselves to be far beyond the Russians yet they enjoy sympathy from the idiotic SJW types.