koyaanisqatsi3 wrote:
Would I be open to a charge of cynicism if I suggested that "Roderick" is none other than Frank Meza himself, along with several of the other pro-Meza posters.
Yes, Scamerwatcheroo. 100 post so far. Really?
koyaanisqatsi3 wrote:
Would I be open to a charge of cynicism if I suggested that "Roderick" is none other than Frank Meza himself, along with several of the other pro-Meza posters.
Yes, Scamerwatcheroo. 100 post so far. Really?
Does anyone know whether or not this kind of behaviour is covered in DSM-5?
koyaanisqatsi3 wrote:
Does anyone know whether or not this kind of behaviour is covered in DSM-5?
What specifically are you referring to?
There's a whole chapter in the DSM about letsrun and the plethora of mental disorders displayed here.
RII wrote:
RI red wrote:
Roderick, you have 13 posts so far in this thread, and you started it. Please tell us your connection with Frank and/or how you were so impressed with his performances? Do you train with him or race against him or know him personally?
Deer RI:
You have more than 100 post so far in this thread--a bunch of different names. Please tell us your connection with Scamwatcheroo. and you are so butt-hurt by this old man's performance?
Good morning-not sure what you are talking about. I have posted 3 times on this thread, all under the "RI red" name. I don't have any other posts here under any other name. Not butt-hurt at all. As a 67 year old who can race 6:30-40ish pace, I find it incredible that a guy can drop 2 18:30ishs in the marathon. Seems like I'm not the only one who is astonished at these splits.
Ummm. Meza did get caught at CIM. Missed timing mats AND complete lack of photos on back side of course. Officials would not have DQ’ed someone with such a high profile performance (Runners World) without considerable evidence of cheating.
CIM also reviewed the camera footage at the timing mats in 2014. No sign of Meza meant a DQ.
When Frank Meza got 2nd in the Runner's World 2014 Rankings for male runners aged 65-69, the guy ahead of him apparently achieved #1 on the basis of an outstanding mark of 18:29 5k. Funny to think that 18:29 was considered so good for an age 65-69 runner, given that when he was 5 years older, Meza would drop 2 5k's at that pace in DURING THE SAME MARATHON!
M65–69
1. Lloyd Hansen (66, UT)
5K, Murray July 4 5K, 18:29
2. Frank Meza (65, CA)
Marathon, California International Marathon, 2:52:33
3. William Dixon (66, VT)
5K, An Ras Mor, 18:20
Honorable Mention: Paul Carlin, Benjamin Caro, Gene Dykes, Ron Legg, Gordon MacFarland, Terry McCluskey, John Morris, Gary Patton, Donald Porteous, Al Wieringa
https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20848209/2014-masters-long-distance-runners-of-the-year/
DSM-5........
A psychiatrist would have a field day with this character.
What kind of human being would blatantly cheat at multiple marathons over a period of several years and then attempt to glorify himself on LetsRun and create multiple false names ostensibly to defend his actions? How pathetic must a person's life be, to plan and carry out this facade year after year? Does he have a mental disorder? Or is it a challenge to see how far he can push the cheating without getting caught...being disqualified for cheating at CIM 2014 not counting as cheating in his mind? Or does he have a grudge against society? Perhaps the singlet he wears provides a clue....
check my results out..https://www.athlinks.com/athletes/250430166/results now check Frank Meza's results out...https://www.athlinks.com/athletes/375783990 and the LA marathon result accessed as an unclaimed result...https://www.athlinks.com/event/1264/results/Event/752736/Course/1562635/Bib/1151 So I am not him. You are a guy or gal with a big time issue going back to CIM. What, did you finish 4th in his race and miss out on a medal?
This tread is worthless with a post by Scamwatcheroo under his own name.
Seem Scam has been banned, for obvious reasons.
OldRunnerMark wrote:
You had me convinced that something wasn't right with those splits from an older race (was it 2015?) but I calculated splits from the LA marathon, 3/24 and they don't seem out of line. Looks like he had a bit left in the tank and really pushed the last 5k. Aside from the complete impossibility of any 70 yr old running this fast (LOL!), the splits seem totally reasonable. Please check my work. I calculated the last column, the other columns including pace/mile are from the LA marathon results page.
http://results2.xacte.com/#/e/2232/placings5K 20:02 20:50 6:27 /mi 20.02
10K 40:19:00 41:07:00 6:29 /mi 20.17
15K 1:00:52 1:01:40 6:32 /mi 20.33
20K 1:22:13 1:23:01 6:37 /mi 21.21
25K 1:42:15 1:43:03 6:35 /mi 20.02
30K 2:03:38 2:04:26 6:38 /mi 21.23
35K 2:24:22 2:25:10 6:38 /mi 20.44
40K 2:44:09 2:44:57 6:36 /mi 19.47
FINISH 2:53:10
If you look at the splits by pace for each 5k separately, there is a larger discrepancy.
0-5k: 6:27 /mi 20:02
5-10K: 6:31 /mi 20:17
10-15K: 6:37 /mi 20.33
15-20K: 6:52 /mi 21:21
20-25K 6:27 /mi 20:02
25-30K 6:53 /mi 21:23
30-35K 6:40 /mi 20:44
35-40K 6:22 /mi 19:47
It would be interesting to see mile-by-mile splits to see if there is an even bigger discrepancy in pacing.
Runners are usually tight communities. Surprising that no one seems to know F.M. on a personal level. I think he resides in Pasadena, L.A.
Does he train with others, participate in other races etc., or is he an isolated guy doing all on his own. If he trains with others, it should be fairly logical to evaluate his capacity to run2.53.
F.M. also is famous as the VIBRAM runner, essentially running barefoot.
If you look at the video on youtube, you will see Frank running on a trail someplace. He does look good, by the way. Some posters have commented negatively about his physical shape, but he looks fine, pretty lean. Not sure what the issues about his weight are?
However, his race splits are really anomolous.
Hopefully closure on this soon.
Embarrassing for R.W. who do not seem to have done their due diligence.
Ghost in China
I know F.M. on a personal level. A lot of his running is on his own, but he does some of his runs with the Loyola High kids (who he helps coach). I don't think they run particularly fast during the practices, except when he gives them interval work to do. I haven't talked to him about all this going on.
bold as love wrote:
I know F.M. on a personal level. A lot of his running is on his own, but he does some of his runs with the Loyola High kids (who he helps coach). I don't think they run particularly fast during the practices, except when he gives them interval work to do. I haven't talked to him about all this going on.
As someone who knows Frank, do you think his times in the marathon, including the outlier splits (18.30) are legit ?
Surely you are in a position to assess his potential as a runner, but if you are a friend, your reticence might also be understandable.
Ghost in China
I have run with him before, but have never seen him run really much faster than 8 minute pace or so, but I think that's just how he trains.
I have never seen him personally race, so I cannot attest to much on that side. Of course, I had known about his very quick and rather astonishing accomplishments as a marathoner and his records for his age groups for a while, and I always personally wondered how he did not seem to receive more spotlight attention for his quick times.
As far as all of the questions being raised here, I have no personal stake in it, and I can agree that some of this stuff being presented is not the best look for him; however, I can't really say whether or not he is guilty or innocent.
The one thing that makes me question it is that he really has no care for the spotlight and is a really humble and wise guy, so I can't really wrap my mind around why he would want to and what incentive he would have to fake marathon times.
I don't even know if he knows this thread is going on--I don't think of him as a guy who spends a lot of time online and checking running forums.
Ok, well that makes sense.
Well, 8 mins mile pace is plenty fast for a guy who races marathons at 7 mins pace. Threshold almost.
Yes, agreed -Frank seems like a good guy, on the Kaiser video, youtube.
It would be surprising, though, that Frank has not heard about this ongoing controversy re. his times.
Ideally, it would be good if the man himself -Frank -could give his side to this unfortunate debate.
I wish Frank well, but if he did indeed take shortcuts, it would be good for him to come clean.
Ghost in China
Frank Meza introduced himself to me post race at the 2014 San Francisco marathon and CIM. He ran slightly faster times than me at both races. Although we never ran directly side by side in either race, he appeared fatigued and exhausted like many marathoners post race. He seemed genuine to me at the time and came off as trustworthy. He shared a bit of his background with me being a physician for his community and coaching Loyola track coach.
It is so obvious that Frank Meza cheats in marathons that it's disturbing to see people close to him seemingly deny it. What kind of human being does splits like the ones mentioned in this thread? It makes zero sense and hopefully more marathons will keep a close eye on this loser who feels it necessary to cheat old guys out of prizes and accolades...
Analyses wrote:
This tread is worthless with a post by Scamwatcheroo under his own name.
Seem Scam has been banned, for obvious reasons.
Yup. He has been banned for some time. That does not stop him from posting his sloppy research.