no yeah wrote:
What's he going to use a step ladder to reach up to hit him?
Or is he just going to go for the nut shot?
Let's see, it's about 12" from the top of someone's head to their shoulder, and about 10" from the top of someone's head to their chin, so, if I've done my math correctly, someone would have to have arms that are at least one foot long in order to reach allllllll the way up to the chin of someone 10" taller than them.
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“Could a 5-foot-4 125-pound professional boxer pretty much beat up any 6-2 200-pound guy who is athletic but has not fighting
2/25/2018 5:44PM
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experience? How large of a guy who is un-trained need to be to defeat a smaller professional boxer with just brute strength?”
Somehow this thread got to football players then NFL players. NFL players are not average athletic guys. They are elite athletes. (For the record, I chose running in college over my first love, football.) Hybrid safeties or thicker CBs are around 6’1-6’2 and 205, like Patrick Peterson and Micah Hyde. NFL linebackers are typically 250-260 lbs with around 8-12 % body fat. Off season these guys could be 260-275 and not look like they have a spare tire. Some teams are opting for hybrid LBs in the 220s to low 230s to counter all the attacking down the middle of the field, but they are still much more massive than an average 200 lb athletic guy.
The average athletic 200 lb guy is that bro who washes down a few energy drinks before he does 4 sets of hammer curls. He’s not that quick or athletic because he’s average. If he was above average he would have played college athletics. He’s that guy at the gym who tells other people he could have played college ball except for _______. He would get his ass kicked by a PROFESSIONAL boxer because he’a untrained too.
They don’t let other professional boxers of vastly different weights fight each other because they have similar skill sets and talent, so size would win. Duh.
I’ve been in and seen enough fights to know that size doesn’t win most of the time. If the little guy is willing to fight back he usually has something up his sleeve because otherwise it’s suicide for the little guy to fight a much larger opponent.
Hitman Hernia wrote:
Face the facts jax wrote:
You can’t beat physics.
The little guy can punch and punch, will do little damage. One solid punch by the 200 pound guy will send the small one into bolivian. .
Naseem Hamed @125 lbs used to frequently knock out heavyweights in sparring sessions, even with gloves on his hands and them wearing head protection.
Sorry but that is just urban legend. I have been watching boxing since the70s, and no featherweight can make a bonafide heavyweight boxer even blink, much less knock him out. They have weight divisions in boxing for a reason.
LucasTanner wrote:
Hitman Hernia wrote:
Naseem Hamed @125 lbs used to frequently knock out heavyweights in sparring sessions, even with gloves on his hands and them wearing head protection.
Sorry but that is just urban legend. I have been watching boxing since the70s, and no featherweight can make a bonafide heavyweight boxer even blink, much less knock him out. They have weight divisions in boxing for a reason.
It's heart-warming to hear of your TV-watching boxing credentials however this information is from the mouths of horses, one of whom was my own brother who was on the sparring circuit.
` wrote:
no yeah wrote:
What's he going to use a step ladder to reach up to hit him?
Or is he just going to go for the nut shot?
Let's see, it's about 12" from the top of someone's head to their shoulder, and about 10" from the top of someone's head to their chin, so, if I've done my math correctly, someone would have to have arms that are at least one foot long in order to reach allllllll the way up to the chin of someone 10" taller than them.
The boxer won't be applying the Queensbury Rules - he will target unprotected testicles and sternum if necessary. The adage "hit the body and the head drops"..
Unlicensed bare-knuckle fighters, "The Governor" Lenny McLean and Roy "Pretty Boy" Shaw, could take on 7-footers and much much heavier opponents no problem.
markschultz40 wrote:
Umm, the kid was clearly showing mercy. He could have choked the guy to sleep. Do you all conveniently ignore the fact that the big guy was ALLOWED to get up??
You really don't think the kid could have f-ed him up even more if he chose to?
And a professional boxer his size who is trained at boxing is going to obviously hit harder than that kid was hitting...
case closed wrote:
Yep. And THAT guy just got up after being pummeled by the little guy. Not enough power to do a lot of damage.
These boxing folks see a 125 lber wail on another guy the same size and revel at the power, quickness, etc. However, when he is next to a 6"2' person, it looks like a little kid with no power. In addition, the small guy could never get in close with a real distinct reach disadvantage. Then when to big guy gets a hold of him, the flyweight really would start to fly across the room.
Does the boxer know how to take someone down and choke someone out too? I thought he was just a boxer? Now he is a mma too?
Hitman Hernia wrote:
LucasTanner wrote:
Sorry but that is just urban legend. I have been watching boxing since the70s, and no featherweight can make a bonafide heavyweight boxer even blink, much less knock him out. They have weight divisions in boxing for a reason.
It's heart-warming to hear of your TV-watching boxing credentials however this information is from the mouths of horses, one of whom was my own brother who was on the sparring circuit.
Sorry again Bud, but someone is feeding you a bunch of crap. Hamed was not capable of knocking out legitimate heavyweight boxers. A
Free Marco Antonio Barrera kicked Hamrds butt, he said that Hameds power was very overrated.
Lucas Tanner wrote:
Hitman Hernia wrote:
It's heart-warming to hear of your TV-watching boxing credentials however this information is from the mouths of horses, one of whom was my own brother who was on the sparring circuit.
Sorry again Bud, but someone is feeding you a bunch of crap. Hamed was not capable of knocking out legitimate heavyweight boxers. A
Free Marco Antonio Barrera kicked Hamrds butt, he said that Hameds power was very overrated.
Both Hamed and Barrera would hurt anyone with clean punches. Hamed's unorthodox defence made it difficult for slower opponents to hit Hamed though, which is the key difference. Since Emmanuel Steward himself claimed that Hamed was the best pound for pound fighter he ever trained including Hearns and Hearns won World titles at
Welterweight
Light middleweight
Middleweight
Super middleweight
Light heavyweight
Cruiserweight
What does this tell you about Hamed's punching ability?
The bias towards power here for ko potential is hilarious when the ko shot is more about timing and accuracy. It's the punch you don't see that kills.
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no yeah wrote:
What's he going to use a step ladder to reach up to hit him?
Or is he just going to go for the nut shot?
Let's see, it's about 12" from the top of someone's head to their shoulder, and about 10" from the top of someone's head to their chin, so, if I've done my math correctly, someone would have to have arms that are at least one foot long in order to reach allllllll the way up to the chin of someone 10" taller than them.
Yeah some posters here are vastly overestimating the size difference between a 5-4 man and a 6-2 man.
The 5-4 man is not a Smurf; he's short but obviously he can reach 1 foot above his head with his arms.
And as I posted before a 145lb boxer can deliver 900lbs of force in under 0.1 seconds.
Pro boxers rarely get a full sucker punch like that in the ring because they can defend. They are pros.
The AVERAGE 6-2 guy cannot defend or react fast enough to avoid a 600/700lb punch to the jaw or nose.
One landed hit and it would be over. The big guy pushes the boxer and the boxer snaps a shot to his jaw literally faster than the big guy can blink. He'd drop like a sack of potatoes.
Having 75lb more of muscle won't make your head better at taking punches that very well could be lethal.
Also as pointed out it's not even necessary to have a KO. If you break someone's nose or jaw it's generally over. They'll be too incapacitated to fight, especially not being a pro.
You wrote:
The bias towards power here for ko potential is hilarious when the ko shot is more about timing and accuracy. It's the punch you don't see that kills.
Right - these things are settled in seconds. In the moments leading up to a fight, the boxer's instincts will tell him not to hesitate - this being an unfamiliar situation for the the non-fighter, who will hesitate.
The boxer knows that he has a tremendous advantage if he hits first; he trains for these moments, day in and day out. He will have appraised the odds of success and not wait for the other guy to make a move.
Stare Master wrote:
You wrote:
The bias towards power here for ko potential is hilarious when the ko shot is more about timing and accuracy. It's the punch you don't see that kills.
Right - these things are settled in seconds. In the moments leading up to a fight, the boxer's instincts will tell him not to hesitate - this being an unfamiliar situation for the the non-fighter, who will hesitate.
The boxer knows that he has a tremendous advantage if he hits first; he trains for these moments, day in and day out. He will have appraised the odds of success and not wait for the other guy to make a move.
Are you going for the record for posting under different names?
Record holder wrote:
Stare Master wrote:
Right - these things are settled in seconds. In the moments leading up to a fight, the boxer's instincts will tell him not to hesitate - this being an unfamiliar situation for the the non-fighter, who will hesitate.
The boxer knows that he has a tremendous advantage if he hits first; he trains for these moments, day in and day out. He will have appraised the odds of success and not wait for the other guy to make a move.
Are you going for the record for posting under different names?
;)
ex-runner wrote:
` wrote:
Let's see, it's about 12" from the top of someone's head to their shoulder, and about 10" from the top of someone's head to their chin, so, if I've done my math correctly, someone would have to have arms that are at least one foot long in order to reach allllllll the way up to the chin of someone 10" taller than them.
Yeah some posters here are vastly overestimating the size difference between a 5-4 man and a 6-2 man.
The 5-4 man is not a Smurf; he's short but obviously he can reach 1 foot above his head with his arms.
And as I posted before a 145lb boxer can deliver 900lbs of force in under 0.1 seconds.
Pro boxers rarely get a full sucker punch like that in the ring because they can defend. They are pros.
The AVERAGE 6-2 guy cannot defend or react fast enough to avoid a 600/700lb punch to the jaw or nose.
One landed hit and it would be over. The big guy pushes the boxer and the boxer snaps a shot to his jaw literally faster than the big guy can blink. He'd drop like a sack of potatoes.
Having 75lb more of muscle won't make your head better at taking punches that very well could be lethal.
Also as pointed out it's not even necessary to have a KO. If you break someone's nose or jaw it's generally over. They'll be too incapacitated to fight, especially not being a pro.
Punching bags don’t punch back.
Brosoon wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
Yeah some posters here are vastly overestimating the size difference between a 5-4 man and a 6-2 man.
The 5-4 man is not a Smurf; he's short but obviously he can reach 1 foot above his head with his arms.
And as I posted before a 145lb boxer can deliver 900lbs of force in under 0.1 seconds.
Pro boxers rarely get a full sucker punch like that in the ring because they can defend. They are pros.
The AVERAGE 6-2 guy cannot defend or react fast enough to avoid a 600/700lb punch to the jaw or nose.
One landed hit and it would be over. The big guy pushes the boxer and the boxer snaps a shot to his jaw literally faster than the big guy can blink. He'd drop like a sack of potatoes.
Having 75lb more of muscle won't make your head better at taking punches that very well could be lethal.
Also as pointed out it's not even necessary to have a KO. If you break someone's nose or jaw it's generally over. They'll be too incapacitated to fight, especially not being a pro.
Punching bags don’t punch back.
Yup! wrote:
https://fewzion.com.au/mike-tyson-everyone-has-a-plan-until-they-get-punched-in-the-mouth/Brosoon wrote:
Punching bags don’t punch back.
You got it. Once the boxer gets hit by a powerful punch and realizes that he’s not fighting another small guy, he’ll likely fold.
Dancing and jabbing ain’t gonna work.
Brosoon wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
Yeah some posters here are vastly overestimating the size difference between a 5-4 man and a 6-2 man.
The 5-4 man is not a Smurf; he's short but obviously he can reach 1 foot above his head with his arms.
And as I posted before a 145lb boxer can deliver 900lbs of force in under 0.1 seconds.
Pro boxers rarely get a full sucker punch like that in the ring because they can defend. They are pros.
The AVERAGE 6-2 guy cannot defend or react fast enough to avoid a 600/700lb punch to the jaw or nose.
One landed hit and it would be over. The big guy pushes the boxer and the boxer snaps a shot to his jaw literally faster than the big guy can blink. He'd drop like a sack of potatoes.
Having 75lb more of muscle won't make your head better at taking punches that very well could be lethal.
Also as pointed out it's not even necessary to have a KO. If you break someone's nose or jaw it's generally over. They'll be too incapacitated to fight, especially not being a pro.
Punching bags don’t punch back.
Punching bags also don’t throw you 15 feet into the air.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
The boxer would strike first and accurately because he knows what he's doing. He's not going to hesitate and push the other guy cursing.
Being big doesn't give you superpowers like in the movies.
Also you might want to consider that the 900lb punch Ricky Hatton delivered according to the scientists was 10x the power delivered by the average man tested. So I'm not sure who you think has the more powerful punch but my money would be on the boxer.
Technique is everything.
There's no way I'd want to get into a fight with a professional flyweight boxer because I'm not an idiot. Those guys weigh ~110lbs.
"A study of seven Olympic boxers in weight classes ranging from flyweight to super heavyweight showed a range of 447 to 1,066 pounds of peak punching force. Energy transferred from punch to target varied widely depending on how heavy the boxers’ hands and gloves were, how fast they punched, and how rigidly they held their wrists. The three flyweights, interestingly, delivered more oomph than all but the two super heavyweights."
Super heavyweight boxers are professionals typically weighing in excess of 17 stone.
The lack of understanding of boxing on this running forum is apparent.