Jarmila Kratochvilova explodes against IAAF erasing her 1:53.28 WR

Actually I was coaching in the 80's, going to TAC clinics, and on a first name basis with most of the Div 1 coaches on the west coast . So you're wrong about me too, not just Kratochilova.

But thanks for bringing name calling into this discussion, that's very mature and productive...

So ya think the men that are in the women's 800m this weekend will break this record?

Terri Alden RN wrote:

So ya think the men that are in the women's 800m this weekend will break this record?

Caster could have broken that record several years ago. Caster came on the scene in 2009 winning the African Junior Championships by over 4 seconds in only a year of serious training. She also won the AJC 1500m as well. Caster ran 1:55x at age 18, she has improved her 400m and 1500m by a considerable amount, there is almost no way her 800m would still be 155x. Btw, Caster ran the fastest time in the world at age 18 and she has only improved a couple 10ths of a second. I've watched her run a couple 1:56x DL races where she came off the final turn, blast to the lead and appear to purposely slow down. It looked like she could have run 1:53 in several races. Using high school boys as an example, Caster's 50.04/4:01 400/1500 PR says she should be capable of 1:52x.

Bug Shot wrote:

"Doped to the gills" applies to nobody to a greater degree than Jarmila Kratochvilova.

What about Donkova, Flojo and Koch?

exthrower wrote:

And Wilson fails a steroid test and claims she got steroids from beef soup....lol...

The kissing excuse is way, way better.

cvxxvzc wrote:

Anyone interested in athletics does know how much effort she expended. She placed her life in jeopardy with the steroids and no doubt trained an ungodly amount. Her record needs to be expunged along with the other Eastern European doped records of the 1980s and the Chinese records of the 1990s. Those we have evidence of doping about; others should be dealt with on a case by case basis. The IAAF plan is never going to stand up in court and it should not be set forth.

You are exaggerating the life in jeopardy thing. She put her feminity in jeopardy though.

Angry Willy wrote:

For the youngsters ...

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/DGN1DD/jarmila-kratochvilova-cze-competing-in-the-1983-world-athletics-championships-DGN1DD.jpg

Wow, that's crazy! She really looks like a guy in that photo. So, I'm in high school, so I'm gonna to sound kind of uninformed here, like, I've heard that Kratochvilova's record was suspect, but was she doping with testosterone or steroids? Or was she more like Caster Semanya?

So do you think Semanya is holding back on purpose? Like to not draw more attention to herself?

LoneStarXC wrote:

Wow, that's crazy! She really looks like a guy in that photo. So, I'm in high school, so I'm gonna to sound kind of uninformed here, like, I've heard that Kratochvilova's record was suspect, but was she doping with testosterone or steroids? Or was she more like Caster Semanya?

CDMT was the key steroid administered to approximately 10,000 athletes from East Germany (GDR) as secret official policy, often without their knowing the nature of the "vitamins" they were forced to take. The doping program was run by the East German Government from about 1968 until 1989 when the Berlin wall was destroyed. The doping program was known as STASI 14.25. The doping was done in secret; it was only in the 1990s that Franke and Berendonk looked closely at the original archived information and discovered the true scope of just how well-planned and successful the doping regime had been (in terms of medal success and world record performances).[2]

After the collapse of the East German regime, people responsible for the forced doping were found guilty of causing grievous bodily harm to about 10,000 sportspeople; victims were compensated. In later life former athletes developed serious health problems believed due to the drugs; psychotic episodes were attributed to Oral Turinabol.[3]

I know a lot of people on these boards won't understand this point: retroactive erasure of world records is right up there as one of the worst forms of political correctness. It's simply rewriting history to conform to the prejudices and fads of current times. If she was the record holder by rules and evidence current at the time she set the record, she is still the record holder.

notrump wrote:

I know a lot of people on these boards won't understand this point: retroactive erasure of world records is right up there as one of the worst forms of political correctness. It's simply rewriting history to conform to the prejudices and fads of current times. If she was the record holder by rules and evidence current at the time she set the record, she is still the record holder.

Can't agree. By that reasoning Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong's performances stand, because their drugs were ahead of the testing.

Karma Police wrote:

notrump wrote:

I know a lot of people on these boards won't understand this point: retroactive erasure of world records is right up there as one of the worst forms of political correctness. It's simply rewriting history to conform to the prejudices and fads of current times. If she was the record holder by rules and evidence current at the time she set the record, she is still the record holder.

Can't agree. By that reasoning Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong's performances stand, because their drugs were ahead of the testing.

Their drugs were ahead of the testers ability to detect, until they weren't. They were also clearly banned analogs, there was no doubt that what they were doing was against the rules.

Anyway, his point is that if there is no proof, we shouldn't erase records based only on suspicion from pictures, no matter how reasonable that suspicion is. With the balco cases, the evidence is much stronger: some athletes tested positive, others admitted guilt, others were implicated due to written and bank records, etc.

Is that a penis?

Not if she has an advantage with the "xy thing";) If it wasn't an even playing field then how is that fair to the other athletes that she competed against? I have nothing personally against Jarmila...or Jaromir, but even without 100% evidence of drug use, it surely doesn't look like it was an even playing field that was just based on training and good genes. There seems to be something else at play here;)

notrump wrote:

I know a lot of people on these boards won't understand this point: retroactive erasure of world records is right up there as one of the worst forms of political correctness. It's simply rewriting history to conform to the prejudices and fads of current times. If she was the record holder by rules and evidence current at the time she set the record, she is still the record holder.

KnotLandingsMills wrote:

Not if she has an advantage with the "xy thing";) If it wasn't an even playing field then how is that fair to the other athletes that she competed against?

I have nothing personally against Jarmila...or Jaromir, but even without 100% evidence of drug use, it surely doesn't look like it was an even playing field that was just based on training and good genes.

There seems to be something else at play here;)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS!

notrump wrote:

I know a lot of people on these boards won't understand this point: retroactive erasure of world records is right up there as one of the worst forms of political correctness. It's simply rewriting history to conform to the prejudices and fads of current times. If she was the record holder by rules and evidence current at the time she set the record, she is still the record holder.

Middle Age/Middle Distance wrote:

Nobody who was around in the '80s thought Kratochilova was clean. Nobody.

Everybody knew Ben Johnson was dirty.

Everybody knew the East Germans were dirty.

Everybody knew the USSR was dirty.

This was all settled decades ago, you apparently just weren't around to see it.

After the wall came done thousands of documents were day-lighted from the Eastern Bloc that detailed in great specificity who took what, how often and how much. The fact that Marita Koch still maintains her innocence is Trumpian in its audacity. Also Frank Shorter won the Olympic Marathon twice, because neither of Waldemar Cierpinski's titles count.

tl;dr ALL Eastern Bloc performances were dirty. A few of them didn't know they were dirty.

We all knew Flo Jo was dirty as well.

We knew about Brian Oldfield.

etc etc etc

KnotLandingsMills wrote:

Not if she has an advantage with the "xy thing";) If it wasn't an even playing field then how is that fair to the other athletes that she competed against?

Banning doping actually MAKES the playing field more uneven. When it is harder to dope because of the ban and drug testing, the athletes with more resources have an edge. If doping was not banned, everybody would be using the widely available and effective cheap drugs and there wouldn't be much benefit from spending a lot of money for doping.

Canada has their own version of Jarmila.

A man named Bobbie Rosenfeld. He was named Canada's Female Athlete of the First Half-Century (1900–1950).

Yes this is true!

Read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbie_Rosenfeld

Bug Shot wrote:

"Doped to the gills" applies to nobody to a greater degree than Jarmila Kratochvilova.

Doctored J!