I wonder who is responsible for the latest attack in Nice?

There Is No wrote:

That's depressing wrote:

That's a cute response, but it doesn't address my point and it really makes you look defensive.

You already admitted (without realizing it) that you have a patronizing double-standard when it comes to the behavior of Muslims. And it seems that you're completely unaware of the sinister implications of your statement. What you're essentially saying is that we live in a world with neighbors who are so prickly and easily "radicalized" to violence that criticism of their religion will turn ordinary, peaceful people into jihadist maniacs. While the original poster to whom you replied is clearly not very thoughtful or nuanced, he made sense at the end - if someone can't handle free speech, he is unfit for civil society. In the conflict between freedom of expression and violent theocratic impulses, free expression simply has to win. What you seem to be advocating is holding ourselves accountable to Islamic blasphemy laws. How masochistic.

Really? Do you really think that your "thinking" qualifies as human level intelligence? Seriously?

That is one of the major problems in this world. People have essentially zero ability to think and lack even that small dose of self-awareness that would help them recognize that fact.

It would take more time than I care to invest in communicating with someone who appears to have the intelligence of a retarded earthworm. So, perhaps just your first point:

1) " If huge numbers of Muslims will become radicalized because of unkind statements about their religion, we have an enormous problem on our hands. Just think about what you’re saying here."

Wrong. Wrong. And, oh, wrong.

(a) We DO have an enormous problem on our hands. Did you not already realize this?

(b) I never said that huge numbers of Muslims will become radicalized because of unkind statements about their religion. Perhaps I am capable of thinking a step or two ahead. I know that is a difficult concept to grasp for someone without that ability.

(i) The leader of the free world " hold(ing) a press conference while standing in front of a white board... pick(ing) up a marker and draw(ing) a picture of Mohammed on a pigs body" is not simply an "unkind statement". I'll let you fill in the blanks (even though I know you lack the intellectual capacity to do so).

(ii) "I would insult them and troll them in every way I could and set up government run traps to offend Muslims and then be ready to kill any Muslim who shows up with bad intent."

Indeed, that sounds like a very Presidential thing to do. Quite unlikely to lead to any violence that would otherwise not happen, No? And of course violence and deaths most definitely do not have any influence on the attitudes and ultimately the behavior of those who love or even relate to those killed, right?

(iii) Did you ever hear of the notion of government refraining from endorsing or denouncing particular religions? You might want to familiarize yourself with this concept as it is one of the pillars of Western Civilization. And somehow, I don't know, I just get this crazy feeling that having the President of the United Stated going out of his way to mock a major religion is just a tad askew of this principle. Just a tad.

(c) No, it is most definitely YOU who needs to think about what you are saying, my little-brained friend.

Well, that is only your first "point". And I grow weary of communicating with a lower life form.

Now, start up with you "ad hominem attacks" protest. "Insults are a sign of desperation..." But no, in this case I am hardly exaggerating. Perhaps just a smidgen to liven things up a bit.

But by no means try to address the substance of what I said. I know that you are incapable. So please do not embarrass yourself trying.

That's depressing wrote:

There Is No wrote:

Really? Do you really think that your "thinking" qualifies as human level intelligence? Seriously?

That is one of the major problems in this world. People have essentially zero ability to think and lack even that small dose of self-awareness that would help them recognize that fact.

It would take more time than I care to invest in communicating with someone who appears to have the intelligence of a retarded earthworm. So, perhaps just your first point:

1) " If huge numbers of Muslims will become radicalized because of unkind statements about their religion, we have an enormous problem on our hands. Just think about what you’re saying here."

Wrong. Wrong. And, oh, wrong.

(a) We DO have an enormous problem on our hands. Did you not already realize this?

(b) I never said that huge numbers of Muslims will become radicalized because of unkind statements about their religion. Perhaps I am capable of thinking a step or two ahead. I know that is a difficult concept to grasp for someone without that ability.

(i) The leader of the free world " hold(ing) a press conference while standing in front of a white board... pick(ing) up a marker and draw(ing) a picture of Mohammed on a pigs body" is not simply an "unkind statement". I'll let you fill in the blanks (even though I know you lack the intellectual capacity to do so).

(ii) "I would insult them and troll them in every way I could and set up government run traps to offend Muslims and then be ready to kill any Muslim who shows up with bad intent."

Indeed, that sounds like a very Presidential thing to do. Quite unlikely to lead to any violence that would otherwise not happen, No? And of course violence and deaths most definitely do not have any influence on the attitudes and ultimately the behavior of those who love or even relate to those killed, right?

(iii) Did you ever hear of the notion of government refraining from endorsing or denouncing particular religions? You might want to familiarize yourself with this concept as it is one of the pillars of Western Civilization. And somehow, I don't know, I just get this crazy feeling that having the President of the United Stated going out of his way to mock a major religion is just a tad askew of this principle. Just a tad.

(c) No, it is most definitely YOU who needs to think about what you are saying, my little-brained friend.

Well, that is only your first "point". And I grow weary of communicating with a lower life form.

Now, start up with your "ad hominem attacks" protest. "Insults are a sign of desperation..." But no, in this case I am hardly exaggerating. Perhaps just a smidgen to liven things up a bit.

But by no means try to address the substance of what I said. I know that you are incapable. So please do not embarrass yourself trying.

Wow. So we've established that criticism unmasks your frothing insanity.

That's depressing wrote:

There Is No wrote:

I knew you couldn't address the substance. What I am impressed by is that you acknowledge it yourself.

Proud of you, son!

I'm sorry to have to point it out to you, but your emotions seem to be getting in your way. And I mean that sincerely - you do seem unhinged.

First of all, would you just deal with your bigoted double-standard towards Muslims? Really, just admit it. Once we get past that, we can talk about how you're on the wrong side of free speech. You don't think Muslims should be held to the same standards of civil society as the rest of us. You should address your bigoted attitude towards Muslims or shut up.

No matter what DiscoGary said (and he is indeed wrong about quite a lot), he is right about this - Obama insulted Tea Party supporters and they didn't start killing people (And I thought I added an adequate throat-clearing by saying that DiscoGary's position was not nuanced or thoughtful - obviously, the president mocking Islam is not helpful, to put it extremely mildly. But imagine the president drawing Abraham with a c*ck in his mouth - how many Americans would die at the hands of Christian and Jewish suicide bombers? Be honest with yourself.). That is not a trivial point. You said, and I quote, "10 times more westerners get blown up as a result." As a result of HAVING THEIR RELIGION INSULTED. That's the situation we seem to be in (and thank you for distilling it so clearly for us) - "Don't insult our religion or else." Your response is "Okay, so sorry, won't happen again." The proper response is, "F*ck off, we'll do and say what we want." If you want to live enslaved under Islamic blasphemy laws, you are welcome to your chains, but don't you try to force your masochism on the rest of us.

There Is No wrote:

That's depressing wrote:

I'm sorry to have to point it out to you, but your emotions seem to be getting in your way. And I mean that sincerely - you do seem unhinged.

First of all, would you just deal with your bigoted double-standard towards Muslims? Really, just admit it. Once we get past that, we can talk about how you're on the wrong side of free speech. You don't think Muslims should be held to the same standards of civil society as the rest of us. You should address your bigoted attitude towards Muslims or shut up.

No matter what DiscoGary said (and he is indeed wrong about quite a lot), he is right about this - Obama insulted Tea Party supporters and they didn't start killing people (And I thought I added an adequate throat-clearing by saying that DiscoGary's position was not nuanced or thoughtful - obviously, the president mocking Islam is not helpful, to put it extremely mildly. But imagine the president drawing Abraham with a c*ck in his mouth - how many Americans would die at the hands of Christian and Jewish suicide bombers? Be honest with yourself.). That is not a trivial point. You said, and I quote, "10 times more westerners get blown up as a result." As a result of HAVING THEIR RELIGION INSULTED. That's the situation we seem to be in (and thank you for distilling it so clearly for us) - "Don't insult our religion or else." Your response is "Okay, so sorry, won't happen again." The proper response is, "F*ck off, we'll do and say what we want." If you want to live enslaved under Islamic blasphemy laws, you are welcome to your chains, but don't you try to force your masochism on the rest of us.

Ah, doubling down on your ignorance, I see. So disappointing. I was truly hopeful that you were able to see how profoundly stupid you were - you're previous reply was so much better. Oh well (sigh).

As usual, you start of being wrong from your very first semi-substative statement. That is one of the hallmarks of world class stupidity - trouble getting in at least one accurate statement.

So, let's start with your opening line, shall we?

"You don't think Muslims should be held to the same standards of civil society as the rest of us."

Would you care to point out where I said this? Remember, it doesn't count to point to things in your own mind that you may have imagined that I think. You actually have to point out where I said this. If you cannot then that makes you a liar and/or almost unimaginably stupid. So go ahead, let's get this started. Show me where I said this (not where that little voice in your own head said this).

I will happily move forward from there. Of course, if you cannot find such a statement made by me then you can show just a bit of integrity and come back and admit that you are a liar (or almost unimaginably stupid if you prefer). That would be enough to get this conversation going again.

If you can't do either that makes you a liar with zero integrity. Not much to work with really. Wouldn't you agree?