Why isn't Igloi training used more often today?

Ghost of Igloi I have that article. With your permission I'll scan and post it.

SMTC,

Please do, I appreciate it.

Reid Harter

Socal Cush,

I ran for Joe Douglas as well, and I consider him a great coach as well. In 1974, my best year,one evening Joe had me do a 30 minute tempo run followed by 4 sets of 10 x 440 at good speed with a 220 jog rest, followed by another 20 minute tempo run. And that was the afternoon workout, there was another 8 miles of other assorted runs earlier in the morning.

I typically ran the track work with Igloi and Joe in Addidas Tokyo '64s...kangaroo hyde, very little support, very light.

Interestingly, Joe coached before teaching math at Westchester High School, and after the same. I worked full time at Northrop Aircraft Corporation.

At that time none of us were spoiled.

A different time, I miss it.

Reid Harter

It sounds like Igloi went way past the point of diminishing returns and didn't realize it.

I have been using the workouts from Bob Schul's book for the last 6 weeks and find I really enjoy them. I was a decent runner in my 20's and have matured into a slowpoke, frequently injured runner in my 50's. I decided to try the use of the shorter intervals on grass 3 days a week. It is certainly more time consuming that just going out for a run or doing a conventional track workout, but I have not managed to hurt myself and I'm spending a lot more time every week running at a faster pace.

Am I faster when it counts? Too early to say, But I have no issues with going down to the park banging off endless 150's on the grass.

The main thing I see missing in the program is tempo running. If I improve without it, then fine.

Also, Bob Schul has been really approachable on facebook and this group in explaining his system and wrote a very readable book. He's a good guy, impressive runner and good coach, not a bad life's work.

No, actally Igloi was the most remarkable person I ever met. I ran a 5:00 mile my junior year in high school, and ran 14:04 three mile at age 19. Great man, who would coach anyone. Not motivated by the dollar. He saw something in me that others missed. I oew so much to him.

Reid Harter

I know you're still racing or at least were very recently as I've seen your name in results in National Masters News. Are you still doing kind of the same things now as then but with adjustments for age?

HRE,

At nearly 64 it makes more sense to make adjustments for age. I draw some from Igloi, Jack Daniels and the FIRST program (Run Less, Run Faster). I do more cross training than running. What is the line from a Tobie Keith song, "I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm good once as I ever was." So, I try to make the running days hard. I still enjoy, as Igloi would say, "killing myself."

Reid Harter

Thanks. I always enjoy finding out about what those of us who've been around for decades are up to.

Here is the link to your article Ghost of Igloi:

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=45FFA13E7B4F3537

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Let me know if you have any problems viewing it or downloading it.

SMTC wrote:

Here is the link to your article Ghost of Igloi:

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=45FFA13E7B4F3537

!4900&authkey=!AOqbJuRTsMWRYzQ&ithint=file%2cpdf

Let me know if you have any problems viewing it or downloading it.

Thanks, this is great.

And a note to the lame (like me). The LR system only parses the first half of the url. Don't click on the link - copy the whole url and paste it into your browser.

Brent Pismo wrote:

I think the answer why Igloi training isn't used more often is that it never proved to be more effective than Lydiard training.

I would believe if it had then it would still be implemented. It worked but 2-3 hour track sessions with walk breaks?

I think walk breaks was mentioned in several posts here. My experience was that he strictly forbid them. When a couple of his world class runners walked he would say "Jog! Jog! Jog!". All rest periods were jogged!

SMTC wrote:

Here is the link to your article Ghost of Igloi:

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=45FFA13E7B4F3537

!4900&authkey=!AOqbJuRTsMWRYzQ&ithint=file%2cpdf

Let me know if you have any problems viewing it or downloading it.

The link doesn't open.

I've been considering doing something similar on a grass field near our home which is always well manicured.

What do you do on your non interval days?

I tried it both ways wrote:

The link doesn't open.

Can't open it either trying multiple formats.

Hi Ghost of Igloi:

Great article!

In the sample training schedules, the time for a 1200 in the Monday PM late peak season is given as 3:05, but no times for the 1200s that started the AM workouts up to 4 times a week at various points in the season. Would you happen to recall about how fast or how hard those 1200s were? Thanks.

SlowFatMaster wrote:

Hi Ghost of Igloi:

Great article!

In the sample training schedules, the time for a 1200 in the Monday PM late peak season is given as 3:05, but no times for the 1200s that started the AM workouts up to 4 times a week at various points in the season. Would you happen to recall about how fast or how hard those 1200s were? Thanks.

Can you repost the link you are using? Thx

It should be remembered as well that Igloi wouldn't use "Igloi Training" if he were still alive either. He was evolving and so should the rest of us.

Personally, I think Bruce Lee's ideal non-style style of fighting is what should be sought after. This is what the greatest coaches can do and it is why they can not be copied; they are artists, not scientists.

i'm hesitant to say i'm some great expert because i bought Bob Schul's book, but I will tell you what I'm doing. I go to a town park right near my house, there are some nice trails in the woods and I run 3 miles nice and easy stretch some and get into the workoiy

it always starts with 10x100, I just kind of work into them, it's all on a large grass area i marked off with some approximate distances.

I usually do the first set of 160's, maybe 8-10. recovery is a little walk, I go again when my heart gets down to 130 or something

each set you jog a quarter, then run 8x100 with walk recovery

next set on tuesdays has more meat, 300-400's maybe a mile's worth, incomplete recovery

more jogging, more 8x100's

for me a third set is usually about it, on a harder day more 300-400's or on an easier 150-200's

i put the watch on the longer intervals

on the harder days it's 10 miles by the end so I just jog a little and call it a day, it's close to 2 hours, the other days are 8 miles at 1.45

I'm not very fast, so a better runner could cover more ground I assume.

My right foot is kind of messed up and all the left turns on the track are painful, so I can avoid them with these workouts.

my other runs are distance runs on grass or on the road and a weekly long run.

I'm not setting the world on fire, but I'm not hurt and I think my running form is getting better from really concentrating on running faster. All those 100's are real form builders.