GENZEBE DIBABA 3000m WORLD RECORD 8.16

who is to say Mary cain is not doping !

can clearly give THE LIGHTNESS TO YOUNGER ATHLETES

WITHOUT ANY ILL EFFECT ,and cruicial time to develope

muscle type that body will maintain well into

adulthood.

probably cain is on exact same thing as dibaba but not

mature enough or similar endurance (natural or otherwise)

to produce same results.

we had bolt on stuff from 16 years old ,

lemaitre from 17 to 18 ,young japanese sprinter that will go sub ten in april ,danish sprinter ,that english sprinter

gemilli.

so no reason not to take when young ,perfect time to take

[quote]genes??? wrote:

There is literally no evidence for this. Do you think the East Africans are evolving every 1-2 years then? It's much more likely that they just prepare and train better.

[quote]

You are drowning in a large African river.

you just suck compared to her wrote:

Maybe she is just in much better shape than you ever were. Ever consider that?

How dare you bring up objective reasoning in this thread.

biological passport .

what are the cut off points for hct for women

and what makes it suspect .

what is maximum allowed jump ,say from 42

to 49 hct within months .

all very vague and subjective .

her endurance most likely helped along also.

for record ,they could test for THE LIGHTNESS if wanted to

as got to be the lr3 version and has long enough

half life that a sensitive test could test for use within past 1-2 weeks and stop athletes peaking on this stuff and alot less enhancing .

but no will to test for it .

igf-1 is what steroids indirectly increase intracellularly

and why some people get alot faster than others when take

steroids as naturally didnt produce igf-1 to same extent

got strong but not as fast.

so THE LIGHTNESS CAN GAURANTEE this for all.

some igf-1 in milk

There are several studies trying to pin down the various attributes that high altitude populations have acquired or evolved to cope with hypoxia.

People should really read those before spouting off that every population is equal.

Andean, Tibetan and Ethiopian populations have all come up with different way of coping with hypoxia.

You're right. Runners HAVE tested positive. And that's one reason why we suspect certain groups of people.

But this reference to the great "era of EPO" isn't substantiated in track at all, imo. A few guys came along and ran some astonishing times. They were astonishing athletes. But we also say a number of guys just 2 years ago who all ran comparable 5000m times. Clearly sub 12:50 isn't what people thought it was.

Using your logic, anyone who break a 4 min mile is reasonably claimed to be doping, too.

SMJO wrote:

There are several studies trying to pin down the various attributes that high altitude populations have acquired or evolved to cope with hypoxia.

People should really read those before spouting off that every population is equal.

Andean, Tibetan and Ethiopian populations have all come up with different way of coping with hypoxia.

I don't think they were just coping with hypoxia differently. They were coping with different levels of gravity too.

If you go by percentage slower than the men's record, it's not a big deal. Most women's world records are in range of 9-11 percent back from the men's records. This performance is about 12.7 percent slower than Komen's 7:20 and about 11.5% slower than Komen's 7:24.9. It was just a weak record before. Paula Radcliffe's marathon record is only 9.75% slower than the Kipsang's men's record.

By not a big deal, I mean not so stupendously fast that it had to be a drugged performance.

aakk wrote:

If you go by percentage slower than the men's record, it's not a big deal. Most women's world records are in range of 9-11 percent back from the men's records. This performance is about 12.7 percent slower than Komen's 7:20 and about 11.5% slower than Komen's 7:24.9. It was just a weak record before. Paula Radcliffe's marathon record is only 9.75% slower than the Kipsang's men's record.

Good analysis. I bet if Dibaba had male pacers for her 3K she could have come much closer to that 9.75%.

wtfunny wrote:But we also say a number of guys just 2 years ago who all ran comparable 5000m times. Clearly sub 12:50 isn't what people thought it was

which people keep forgetting over & over

1/2 dozen guys < 12'50 in 1 race proved 12'50 was no real barrier for elites provided they got a reasonable 4th km

SMJO wrote:

There are several studies trying to pin down the various attributes that high altitude populations have acquired or evolved to cope with hypoxia.

People should really read those before spouting off that every population is equal.

Andean, Tibetan and Ethiopian populations have all come up with different way of coping with hypoxia.

No one spouted off that every population was equal. What are you talking about?

i cannot think what is making her run

more like a man !!!!!!

steroids never much of ped for distance events

so what is it i wonder

you clearly are clueless

saidi-sief ran a 3'29 & a 7'25 with a 55-finish off steroids

ventolin^3 wrote:

you clearly are clueless

saidi-sief ran a 3'29 & a 7'25 with a 55-finish off steroids

Depends whether you want to turn into a man, or merely run like one.

This is a great piece of reporting, on par with our doping experts' analyses here.

This is the headline:

Genzebe Dibaba of Ethiopia smashed the 20-year-old indoor 3,000m record with a run of 8min 16.60sec on Thursday.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/sport/athletics-dibaba-sets/986892.html

STOCKHOLM: Genzebe Dibaba of Ethiopia smashed the 20-year-old indoor 3,000m record with a run of 8min 16.60sec on Thursday.

Dibaba, 22, sister of Olympic 5,000m and 10,000m champion Tirunesh, knocked almost eight seconds off the previous record of 8:23.72 set in 1983 by her compatriot Meseret Defar.

To underline her dominance, she crossed the finish line 13sec ahead of Kenya's Hellen Obiri.

It was her second indoor world best in five days after her 1,500m record in Karlsruhe, Germany, last Sunday.

Dibaba, who is also the niece of double Olympic 10,000m champion Derartu Tulu, knocked more than three seconds off the indoor 1,500m record of 3:58.28 with a run of 3:55.17.

I'll have whatever Defar is having ... and,er... if Defar set the old record in 1983, this is 2014, that's 30 years ago.

genes??? wrote:

SMJO wrote:

There are several studies trying to pin down the various attributes that high altitude populations have acquired or evolved to cope with hypoxia.

People should really read those before spouting off that every population is equal.

Andean, Tibetan and Ethiopian populations have all come up with different way of coping with hypoxia.

No one spouted off that every population was equal. What are you talking about?

Sure they do.

"Everyone is equal and nobody has a genetic advantage/difference etc. etc."

You know how it goes. Usually the request is made to "name those genes" and the articles studying those differences actually do list many of the genes and try to pinpoint other genes that are different or expressed differently.

Crack a book or read some of the studies online.

SMJO wrote:

Sure they do.

"Everyone is equal and nobody has a genetic advantage/difference etc. etc."

You know how it goes. Usually the request is made to "name those genes" and the articles studying those differences actually do list many of the genes and try to pinpoint other genes that are different or expressed differently.

Crack a book or read some of the studies online.

That isn't true. There are no studies that have found any running genes. At most, some studies found correlations. Until they actually find a causal relationship, you can't say whether anyone has or does not have a genetic advantage.

genes??? wrote:

That isn't true. There are no studies that have found any running genes. At most, some studies found correlations. Until they actually find a causal relationship, you can't say whether anyone has or does not have a genetic advantage.

Because they haven't found something means it definitely isn't true?

They have located many genes pertaining to the process of respiration in running and they will find the rest of them soon enough.

One step at a time. You know it's coming.