Doping widespread in Kenya? Fresh allegations by German journalist

English isn't my third language either, so I guess that makes us about even.

And yet. And yet, you persist on judging that I'm judging

you. I'm not judging you. No one's judging here. We're all

just a happy bunch of people exchanging information over the internet.

So, Kalenjin, my new best friend, tell me: are Kenyan times

going to get even better now with the new Eldoret track?

Kenyans don't think like you, you seem to have a good plan, go and impliment it. "extra" means training harder than your friends hence posting better times than the rest of the world.

Gramthlete,

I said I dont care who the hell theyre and that infor wont make me any better. I said youre the self proclaimed Judge not James Olmos is a judge! Omg. If James was police lieutenant let him be it doesnt matter to me I said this in reference to you saying "Please please please let me be James Olmos"

Leading me to wonder how many people you wish to be not to mention Edward... Man, Be yourself... be happy who youre and be proud as well .. dont downcast yourself.

Runthedistance wrote:

Kenyans don't think like you, you seem to have a good plan, go and impliment it. "extra" means training harder than your friends hence posting better times than the rest of the world.

So are we to understand that Delilah Asiago, Pamela Chepchumba, Susan Chepkemei, Lydia Cheromei, Simon Kemboi, David Munyasia, Elizabeth Muthuka and John Ngugi are not from Kenya?

Kalenjin wrote:

Gramthlete,

I said I dont care who the hell theyre and that infor wont make me any better. I said youre the self proclaimed Judge not James Olmos is a judge! Omg. If James was police lieutenant let him be it doesnt matter to me I said this in reference to you saying "Please please please let me be James Olmos"

Leading me to wonder how many people you wish to be not to mention Edward... Man, Be yourself... be happy who youre and be proud as well .. dont downcast yourself.

You appear angry at being informed who James Edward Olmos is.

What has been learned, alas, cannot be unlearned.

I can offer you nothing in solace, save the affirmation, biased I grant you, that he is a great actor.

Stand and Deliver. A great film. And, perhaps, a suitable metaphor for the Kenyan runner?

Worlds collide.

Gramthlete, I talk of you being ajudge because you seem to think you know even about me and where I get my education on running while you dont know what I majored in college. Remember when u wrote I learnt scientific improvements here on this posts? You said Im a suspect family?? Thats what judges do? saying you did this and that. Man, youre RIGHT, when u say bunch of people exchanging infor over internet... thats all you know... not saying youre a suspect or you learnt here or there.. you know nothing on that my new best friend.

Yes, the answer to your last question. Times will get better, it wont get worse. Change brings improvements my friend... thats why Bekele is building one in Ethiopia. You know what FEW INJURIES AND BETTER TIMES MY FRIEND

Kalenjin wrote:

Gramthlete, I talk of you being ajudge because you seem to think you know even about me and where I get my education on running while you dont know what I majored in college. Remember when u wrote I learnt scientific improvements here on this posts? You said Im a suspect family?? Thats what judges do? saying you did this and that. Man, youre RIGHT, when u say bunch of people exchanging infor over internet... thats all you know... not saying youre a suspect or you learnt here or there.. you know nothing on that my new best friend.

Yes, the answer to your last question. Times will get better, it wont get worse. Change brings improvements my friend... thats why Bekele is building one in Ethiopia. You know what FEW INJURIES AND BETTER TIMES MY FRIEND

Glad to see there's no hard feelings.

So what did you major in in College?

Im not angry as your judgement seems to wish so. James Edward is not known here unfortunately.. I wont be agry or judge someone I dont know. Let James be your great actor to me he doesnt exists... neither have we ever heard of his movies u fantacise on. Will try for your sake to order one online my friend and myb watch.

How can anybody else in the world could possibly train harder than the Japanese? Yet now the Japanese are no where close to the Kenyans in the race of marathon.

This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen on lets run... The thread on ass pimples pop them or leave them was better than this..

I want to hear it in freaking enlgish.. you could have just grabbed a snipit of Hitler talking and said it was about Kenyan doping.

I can't believe this went 8 pages

flippin morons wrote:

I want to hear it in freaking enlgish.. you could have just grabbed a snipit of Hitler talking and said it was about Kenyan doping.

I saw the bit where he went into the 'healthfood shop', some guy made a phonecall, and next thing we know he's in the back with some naughty stuff that might make distance runners faster.

It doesn't prove anything, but it does disprove the myth that it's impossible for people to get hold of the stuff in Kenya.

Stop speaking for all Kenyans RuntheDistance - it's stupid. How do you know that no Kenyan would possibly dope. You already admitted that some (all?) Kenyans are persistent scam artists, particularly when it comes to dealing with foreigners, you seemed proud of this. Doesn't this lend itself to the fact that these guys might be scamming you too?

please be kidding wrote:subcutaneous injection is also the most dangerous method. It is the only method that has caused PRCA (pure red cell aplasia)

moron

the studies showed there was a reduction in prca given i.v epo in haemodialysis patients

no study showed i.v. route stopped all prca in haemodialysis patients

& idiot, the risk is for haemodialysis patients NOT chronic renal failure patients

only in haemodialysis patients is i.v. route preferred

iv and infusion are the most common techniques, whether it be among athletes or in the medical venues.

idiot

see above - subcut is main route in non-haemodialysis patients

how many athletes are on haemodialysis ???

Kenyans don't dope, you can put your head down, legs up and spin 360 degrees, the fact will still be the same, Kenyans don't dope. The rest of the world are not able to compete and they are trying to justify the using of drugs in the future. You can go ahead and dope world, we still going to going to stay clean and pure like we are.

Doping is for sisies and Kenyans ain't one of them

HRE wrote:

No, I said big money in marathons is a pretty new phenomenon and that's drawn runners to the distance who in former eras would have concentrated on track racing rather than marathons.

Cant that explain the anomaly then?

I suppose not. I don't see an anomaly. Maybe you could be less cryptic?

Says the Kenyan after EPO was found in his backyard.

Runthedistance wrote:

Doping is for sisies and Kenyans ain't one of them

,,,,, is very easy , go to kenya and just look to that small tribe that runs better than others , than good theya can do than running . So in kenya no DOPING thats is God gift for them if not they could be slaves to other tribes .

Runners don't dope only evil cyclists.