Get real Uncle Bitch wrote:
UncleB wrote:7. You don't think that hippies exercised, although they were, on average, far skinnier than the average right wing american is today I assume you would copncede.
Democrats are fatter than Republicans. Look it up.
Like Chris Christie?
Momma wrote:
All you need is Love!
And the greatest of these is Love
Jesus, the best hippie of all
Jesus (and the hippie trip) was what they get when they see that God is a woman and the Devil is a man. Jesus was the son of God but God was his mother NOT his father. What did Jesus and the hippies believe in? Peace and love like a woman. Eastern religion where God is often seen as a woman. Long hair like a woman. In other words the hippie trip was the FEMINIZATION of western civilization. In countries where they never went through that (Afghanstan, Iraq) are still stuck in the tenth century where woman are property. That is why we start wars with those countries. The problem now as I see it we have gone BACKWARDS to the out of date idea "God is a man and so is the Devil" and as we see that does not work very well.
The one thing the counterculture was undoubtedly wrong about was the disgusting appeasement and at times outright support of the genocidal fascist left,north Vietnam, pathet lao ,Khmer rouge etc yes war is atrocious allways was but an enemy which killed more during a so called peace is worse the wrong side was allowed to win after being massively tactically defeated ..do you think south Korea would have been better if it was now run by the north ,opposing aggression is not wrong portraying aggression as revolution which it was not or totalitarian rule as freedom is whatever hippies were wrong or right about this was there worst offence,by the way hippies did zero to change segregation it was federal government and the civil rights movement .middle class white kids which is what it was largely take credit same old self delusion
The one thing the counterculture was undoubtedly wrong about was the disgusting appeasement and at times outright support of the genocidal fascist left,north Vietnam, pathet lao ,Khmer rouge etc yes war is atrocious allways was but an enemy which killed more during a so called peace is worse the wrong side was allowed to win after being massively tactically defeated ..do you think south Korea would have been better if it was now run by the north ,opposing aggression is not wrong portraying aggression as revolution which it was not or totalitarian rule as freedom is whatever hippies were wrong or right about this was there worst offence,by the way hippies did zero to change segregation it was federal government and the civil rights movement .middle class white kids which is what it was largely take credit same old self delusion
I disagree with this. Hippies tried to make this a peaceful place and didn't like violence. If you were properly raised, you don't need a weapon. That's what you have fists for. Hippies will come back. They never really died. It's only a matter of time. What's so bad about peace, love, fun, etc? Also, you said violence is good. No it's not! Think about all of the people who are being killed for no reason. Including kids. I'm almost certain that there will probably be another war. There is no freedom even though it is said to be a "free" country.
stephen davids wrote:
The one thing the counterculture was undoubtedly wrong about was the disgusting appeasement and at times outright support of the genocidal fascist left,north Vietnam, pathet lao ,Khmer rouge etc yes war is atrocious allways was but an enemy which killed more during a so called peace is worse the wrong side was allowed to win after being massively tactically defeated ..do you think south Korea would have been better if it was now run by the north ,opposing aggression is not wrong portraying aggression as revolution which it was not or totalitarian rule as freedom is whatever hippies were wrong or right about this was there worst offence,by the way hippies did zero to change segregation it was federal government and the civil rights movement .middle class white kids which is what it was largely take credit same old self delusion
yeah this happens often... its the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing.. it's the same as when the left (and particularly gays on the left) are all friendly with Islam but Islam is one of the most anti-inclusive anti-tolerant religions in existence.
The OP is right. But I would add that the popular myth of the Cold War being between Capitalism vs Communism but the inconvenient truth is that it was between Socialism type 1 (Marxism) vs Socialism type 2 (Keynesian Socialism best exhibited by Johnson or FDR). The Hippies wanted Socialism type 1 to win. Both sides thought that pre-1929 Conservativism was dead they didn't bank on Reagan and Thatcher.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
The Hippies wanted Socialism type 1 to win. .
No they didn't. They just wanted their uptight ahole fathers to ef off.
It's the same every generation.
The title of this thread reminds me of that scene in THE BIG LEBOWSKI where the old Lebowski is yelling at "The Dude" and saying "Your revolution is over Mr Lebowski! Condolences! The bums lost!"
Billy Fap wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:The Hippies wanted Socialism type 1 to win. .
No they didn't. They just wanted their uptight ahole fathers to ef off.
It's the same every generation.
Bull
what sucks is that we are still dealing with the hippies even though they are in their 60's and 70's!
Patricia wrote:
I disagree with this. Hippies tried to make this a peaceful place and didn't like violence.
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This isn't completely true. The Weather Underground led by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn used violence, as did the Black Panthers and several other radical offshoots of the hippie counterculture movement. There was actually a lot of violence coming from the hippies.
Kind of like what we are seeing today. Most Democrat protesters are peaceful, but there is enough violence coming from the left that it is dangerous to speak freely on a college campus. Violence is a very effective tool for silencing the opposition.
Crime rates started rising with the hippies. That wasn't countered until 25 years later when Giuliani showed the US how to deal with criminals.
UncleB wrote:
So, to wrap up your view:
The hippies were wrong because:
1. Drug use is bad.
2. Sex is bad.
3. Politics that say share the wealth is bad.
4. Violence is good.
5. Only Western religions make sense
6. On wait, Christianity is also bad and that is somehow the fault of hippies likin eastern religions.
7. You don't think that hippies exercised, although they were, on average, far skinnier than the average right wing american is today I assume you would copncede.
8. You don't like tie dye clothes.
You are a true intellectual
That ^ is a horrible summary of the original post. A straw man.
They began before 1968 you doofus! But the zeitgeist moment was during 1968, as they fought Vietnam, rioted at Bezerkley and chanted on the barricades outside the Sorbonne la pensee soixante-huite, note they didn't call it soixante-neuf, lol!
The US was a major instigating force in hippie culture. The key actors were Peter Fonda and Jack Nicholson to be exact.
Keep your motor runnin'
Head out on the highway
Looking for adventure....
Ohhh Yeah!
Hippie culture had a few good things to show us and we fail to listen at our peril.
Everybody should be a hippie....for five minutes a day, 10 minutes a day on weekends.
Abortion Rights wrote:
Women have the right in America to decide what to do with their bodies. Their is no argument over that. So buzz off, you Nazi !
The body inside a pregnant woman's body is not the pregnant woman's body.
Uncle B
This is not intended as a rebuke to you nor a defense of the post, so, respectfully speaking, when you use 'reductio ad absurdum' as a debate response, the absurdity to which you are reducing the argument should be accurate in its reduction. Otherwise, you aren't offering an effective rebuttal. In fact, you merely make your argument look childish and yourself quite silly.
As an example, stating that the "free love"theory was bad because its practice led to problems such as AIDS and unwanted pregnancies is not the same as stating that sex is bad. The original post actually says nothing about sex, of course, but is critical of the "free love" theory, in which promiscuity featured quite prominently.
That is only one example, although I could use any of your responses to illustrate the point. In any case, I'm sure you have better arguments than those you've posted.
At least, I certainly hope you do.
You shouldn’t treat a national hero like that, he fought in the military when his country needed him, did you, he also genuinely tried to help this country instead of just trying to push his political beliefs on other people, you don’t deserve to be able to say anything bad and untrue about someone who’s done his deed for the country. It’s sickening that you’d treat someone with such disrespect when they’ve done 100x more for this country than you have
Bill gates and Steve Jobs were big hippies, if you read Steve jobs’ Biography you’d know, he was into pot, would go on spiritual retreats, practiced Buddha for a while, and was big into meditation