"No Tomorrows" is the film, great stuff, I'll sell to you if you want. The runner you talk of that ran down AlSal was the great Peter Pfitzinger.
"No Tomorrows" is the film, great stuff, I'll sell to you if you want. The runner you talk of that ran down AlSal was the great Peter Pfitzinger.
You must have thought Pfitz was nicknamed Beardsley because of his beard.
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Check out the interview I did a while back with Bill at http://www.garycohenrunning.com/Interviews/Rodgers.aspx He discusses every one of his Boston and NYC Marathon wins and all kinds of thoughts on his running and racing. In almost every big race he would put the hammer down between 13 and 18 miles, run away from the field and then just run to win. There weren't pacemakers and his wins were on tough courses, not time trial courses. I'm sure that in today's TT races with his talent, training and will to win he would have run 2:06 or faster.
so, in your revisionist history, how do you explain all of the races that he didn't drop the field and coast in and wound up losing?
I'm guessing Ockerse is Ryan's dad, and Flagpole is just an idiot.
Neither of them obviously knows anything about running, they can't comprehend the schedule Rodgers kept, they can't understand the races with pacesetters Hall has run.
That's OK dad, my son is great at everything too.
Ockerse wrote:
so, in your revisionist history, how do you explain all of the races that he didn't drop the field and coast in and wound up losing?
Good god, no one is trying to "revise" history. Just trying to put it in proper perspective, and give credit where credit is due. Poor outings are what they are. It's the same way you can explain away the fact that Hall got smoked earlier this year in the Rock 'n' Roll half-marathon in Phoenix, it wasn't his day. End of story. Though quite durable, no one is saying that Rodgers was superman. Geez!
A couple of telling quotes from Bill in the above mentioned interview:
a) "But while you are ‘riding the wave’ you have a lot of psychological strength because other competitors ‘think’ you are going to win. The psychological part of racing is huge."
b) "Today the training for a marathon is different as the top runners have to train for the last 10k. The fast 10k runners have moved up and speed is necessary especially with the focus on time where we concentrated on winning major races and medals."
Interpret these quotes anyway you like.
I thought this thread was done.
On the same course, someone has run 4 mins faster. Pace makers (and competition) are worth something but 4 mins is a lot of time. And (especially on boston) weather is a huge factor. You had all the guys in 93 running 2min faster than normal due to wind.
Trailrunnergary wrote:
Check out the interview I did a while back with Bill at
http://www.garycohenrunning.com/Interviews/Rodgers.aspxHe discusses every one of his Boston and NYC Marathon wins and all kinds of thoughts on his running and racing. In almost every big race he would put the hammer down between 13 and 18 miles, run away from the field and then just run to win. There weren't pacemakers and his wins were on tough courses, not time trial courses. I'm sure that in today's TT races with his talent, training and will to win he would have run 2:06 or faster.
Ockerse wrote:
i think the race that hall has run in that had a field most comparable to what rogers competed against was the oly trials marathon. ritz, sell and meb were the best guys there and they are as faster (maybe a little faster) than the best guys rogers ran against.
2008 1 2:09:02 Ryan Hall
1980 1 2:10:19 Tony Sandoval
1980 2 2:10:41 Benji Durden
1980 3 2:10:55 Kyle Heffner
2008 2 2:11:07 Dathan Ritzenhein
2008 3 2:11:40 Brian Sell
1984 1 2:11:43 Pete Pfitzinger
1984 2 2:11:44 Alberto Salazar
1984 3 2:11:50 John Tuttle
1976 1 2:11:51 Frank Shorter
1976 2 2:11:58 Bill Rodgers
1984 4 2:11:59 Dave Gordon
1984 5 2:12:25 Dean Matthews
2008 4 2:12:34 Khalid Khannouchi
1980 4 2:12:39 Ron Tabb
1984 6 2:12:41 Tony Sandoval
2008 5 2:12:54 Jason Lehmkuhle
1980 5 2:13:16 Jeff Wells
1980 6 2:13:17 Kevin McCarey
2008 6 2:13:23 Daniel Browne
1984 7 2:13:29 Greg Meyer
1984 8 2:13:30 Bill Rodgers
1980 7 2:13:40 Randy Thomas
1980 8 2:13:53 Gordon Minty
1976 3 2:13:54 Don Kardong
1980 9 2:14:17 Frank Richardson
1984 9 2:14:18 Sal Vega
1980 10 2:14:22 Dennis Rinde
1980 11 2:14:38 Walt Saeger
1980 12 2:14:48 Dave Smith
2008 7 2:14:56 Nathaniel Jenkins
1976 4 2:14:58 Tony Sandoval
1980 13 2:15:09 David Patterson
2008 8 2:15:09 Meb Keflezighi
2008 9 2:15:22 Josh Rohatinsky
2008 10 2:15:27 Jason Hartmann
1980 14 2:15:30 Chuck Hattersley
1976 5 2:15:48 Tom Fleming
1976 6 2:15:50 Bob Varsha
1980 15 2:15:56 Jeff Foster
1984 10 2:16:02 Tom Raunig
2008 11 2:16:14 Matthew Gonzales
2008 12 2:16:28 Mike Morgan
2008 13 2:16:47 Fasil Bizuneh
2008 14 2:16:54 James Carney
2008 15 2:16:54 Steve Sundell
1984 11 2:16:56 Duncan MacDonald
1976 7 2:17:16 John Bramley
1984 12 2:17:18 David Hinz
1984 13 2:17:45 Doug Avrit
1976 8 2:17:58 Kirk Pfeffer
1976 9 2:18:29 Jeff Galloway
1976 10 2:18:56 Amby Burfoot
1976 11 2:19:05 Bob Busby
1976 12 2:19:18 Carl Hatfield
1976 13 2:19:55 Marty Sudzina
Over the last 25 years it seems all the marathon world records have had rabbits and were set at Rotterdam, Chicago, London, or Berlin. Rodgers never ran in these types of settings so you can assume he would have gone under 2:09 and maybe 2:08.
His one hour run American record equates to around 1:01:30 for half-marathon, condsiderably slower than Halls best time which he ran solo in Houston.
Those are the facts. There's nothing he accomplished that indicates he could have run 2:06 on a fast course with rabbits like Hall did.
George Webbs wrote:
Over the last 25 years it seems all the marathon world records have had rabbits and were set at Rotterdam, Chicago, London, or Berlin. Rodgers never ran in these types of settings so you can assume he would have gone under 2:09 and maybe 2:08.
His one hour run American record equates to around 1:01:30 for half-marathon, condsiderably slower than Halls best time which he ran solo in Houston.
Those are the facts. There's nothing he accomplished that indicates he could have run 2:06 on a fast course with rabbits like Hall did.
How do you come up with that number? What if he trained specifically for a record attempt and went to one of these so called races and had rabbits out there for him, there is no way to know what he would have run. Like you said, he never lowered himself to that type of garbage, he raced his races.
You only give him 30 to 90 sec. under these type of conditions? Let it go, you have no idea, Bill's hour run record was a good hard training run, like most of his races, no rabbits there either. So, don't use that as an indication of anything. He raced often because that was the only way to make money back then. If he lived under a rock like Hall for 6 months of the year and ran one special race he would have left no doubt.
Bill Rodgers himself said he could not run 59:43/2:06...
battle wrote:
Bill Rodgers himself said he could not run 59:43/2:06...
That's because Bill is a classy guy, no point creating a controversy by saying anything else to the contrary, no way to go back and change it anyways.
The rest of us can take up the fight for him.