When Webb is fit, he weighs around 140-145
When Webb is fit, he weighs around 140-145
I'd be suprised if Webb would bench his weight 10 times.
Once you get outside the 10 rep range calculators can be WAY off.
You may train to lift your bodyweight 30 times yet not even be close to your max 1 rep potential and vice versa. While there is some correlation you shouldn't put too much into those calculators. In fact MOST good calculators won't let you input a rep number higher than 10 due to what I just said.
Alan
As I stated before at 150lbs I benched 27 reps at the arnold.
The calculator says I can bench 280+. Thats about 30lbs more then real max.
Yep....I know a guy who in his 10+ years of training has bench 318 for 8, 225 for 20, but only maxed out 350 for 1.
Alan
that was my initial inclination (that the calculators accuracy is poor).
I asked this on another thread... is arching the back legal? is it beneficial? should i practice this in training?
heres the response i got:
"my admittedly limited understanding is that the arch is a good thing for moving weight. it allows you to get leg and hip drive into the movement which means in short that you can put up more weight. it's also been argued that it gives you a more stable platform, or at the very least, that contracting the rhomboids and getting the shoulder blades together gives you a more stable platform, meaning again the ability to move more weight, and perhaps meaning less stress on the upper body joints involved in the movement. it also definitely decreases the distance you have to move the bar, which becomes readily apparent when you watch powerlifting competitions. i don't really love that idea, but it's worth taking into account. for what it's worth, i definitely feel less stress in my shoulders when i get an arch going, even when i'm moving more weight than i otherwise would have.
on the other hand, in my own limited experience, the arch seems to result in a little less stimulation of the pec, as you have all the other stuff working in the lift too. as you get to bigger and bigger weight, that's less of a problem, as the pec probably works as hard to get those bigger weights moving. i don't lift particularly heavy weights however, so i don't know if the arch is even worth it for me.
my completely unscientific conclusion from these observations is: in training the pecs and the shoulder girdle, it probably makes sense to work both with the arch and without. you practice the arch mechanics fairly frequently, and when it comes to pump and run day, the lifts probably seem that much easier. in addition, on heavy days, you can probably incorporate the arch to push more weight, and perhaps get a little extra stimulus for everything that you want to be incorporating. at the same time, a lot of your training can probably be done without the arch, to really hit the pec, and get used to moving weight even in the slightly mechanically disadvantaged position.
anyway, i do think if you can use an arch on competition day you probably should, at least if you've gotten used to using it - it definitely makes moving any given weight easier."
Joe Falcon from Arkansas would be the guy to beat in these things.
whats his best result?
or is this another 'he could win it' post?....
Just a guy who ran a 3:49 mile and could outbench guys on the Razorback football team.
could you be any more vague?
show some proof.
stillllll searching..... wrote:
could you be any more vague?
show some proof.
he's not being vague, you are being dense.
Joe Falcon ran at least 13:20 5k, and in Sports Illustrated (good enough source for you?), they said he was putting up around 250 or so and yes, guys on the football team were shocked (because he weighed like 130).
He absolutely could have done body weight x 30. And then broke the Arnold "course record" by 3 minutes. Just believe it, and leave it at that.
(now here's where Alan, self-professed expert, butts in and tells us why this might no be true)
sports illustrated is great, but did they actually watch him bench it? or just ask him how much he did and take for granted he locked elbows and didn't bounce it off his chest.
and was this in the off season? was he in PR running shape when he did this?
also, as pretty much everyone on this board has said, MAX does not equal endurance... and does not mean you can bench your body weight 30 times. they are related, but they are 2 very different challenges that require different training and utilize different muscle fibers (slow twitch vs fast twitch).
I wonder if any of the posters here thinking its easy will compete in it next year?
look man, I really wasn't trying to give you a hard time.
But sometimes you can't always hide behind "was it 100% official, videotaped and officially approved by a governing body" and all that. Sometime you can trust people, unless you think Joe Falcon, SI, and the guys interviewed are all liars. Football players have a pretty good understanding of what is a good lift. HERE is the article and quote (SI vault is GREAT for finding old stuff like this):
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1066619/2/index.htm
""I have a small stride, which helps my acceleration," says Falcon. Another factor is upper-body strength. At 5'6" and 116 pounds, Falcon, who gives away at least 30 pounds to Pee-wee Herman, is brutishly strong. During a weight workout his freshman year, Falcon was getting ready to bench-press 250 pounds. A dozen incredulous football players were watching. One, who had seen Falcon work out before, bet the others Falcon could lift the weight. The skeptics paid. "
He was doing well over 2 x his bodyweight. And he was only a FROSH! Surely he could get stronger as he got older.
At 116, he probably could have done 50x his bodyweight and then threw down a sub 13:30.
No one is doubting that running mid 16's or even mid 17's and benching your bodyweight 30x is impressive, because there is no doubt that it is. But neither should anyone doubt that pump&run, in the big scheme of things, is a low-level AMATEUR, fringe competition. Do some of you pump &runners really doubt for one second that if this was a highly promoted, big $ sport that there wouldn't be LOTS of top guys who could break 15 and do the 30 reps?? Do you think Joe Falcon is the only guy in history with such a combination of skills?? Of course not.
So the guys that win the pump and run are very good athletes. Just as the guy who wins the big local/semi-regional road race in 14:45 is a very good athlete. But just like that 14:45 guy, they are well off what the best athletes could do if pump&run was some sort of professional sport.
Yeah I agree that there are/were athletes who could do the 30 reps and run under 15:00. I would just like to see it happen to believe it. To argue your point, bench max and doing the 30 reps are much different. I think that this guy probably had the capabilities to do it, but it's hard to tell off a bench max.
I agree that it being an amateur does have a lot to do with the competition and the relatively slow times that are run now. Do I think "LOTS" of guys could break 15 and do the 30 reps?- No f***ing way. Contrary to letsrun.com belief, breaking 15 minutes in a 5k is very rare. I live in Ohio and we are one of the best running states in the nation. There might be 50 guys in the state currently running 15 minutes or better for the 5k, and I bet maybe one or two could do 15 reps of their body weight, let alone 30...and that's with running training only!
Bench with an arch. Bring the bar down BELOW your nipple line. Shorten the range of motion. Watch lots of powerlifting videos.
There's a difference between benching to put up the most weight and benching to work the pec. Slight technical modifications.
I doubt Falcon actually benched 250 or 200 for that matter. Just because it's in SI doesn't make it true. Unless dude's got some seriously short arms.
Alan
To really get the arched back to work for you, you need to load it by having your feet planted on the floor well back of the knees. There's a way to load that very easily, but you can also find the way to do that by looking up Dave Tate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh3t6T-nqP0
Runningart2004 wrote:
I doubt Falcon actually benched 250 or 200 for that matter. Just because it's in SI doesn't make it true. Unless dude's got some seriously short arms.
Alan
Right on cue. So now he could not even bench 200?? ha ha And just because you don't believe something, doesn't make it UNtrue either. SI's reporting is worth a LOT more than your useless opinion.
But of course if Alan had read something from some unqualified nutrition blogger, or some musclehead in one of his bodybuilding magazines, THEN....THEN he would have taken their word, as long as it was something Alan wanted to believe, as the gospel truth.
Your act is tired and old Alan.
good video, very informative. Honestly after listening to him speak my form needs some work.
any other videos out there?
Man, I am jealous. I can run a 14:07 5k on the track but doubt that I can benchpress 120 lbs. I sure wish I could run a 16 minute 5k and benchpress 200 lbs, 30 x.....NOT. What an idiot
r u brain dead hellooo mcfly wrote:
Man, I am jealous. I can run a 14:07 5k on the track but doubt that I can benchpress 120 lbs. I sure wish I could run a 16 minute 5k and benchpress 200 lbs, 30 x.....NOT. What an idiot
Yet, you read eight pages of threads on the subject .