It's clear from reading ventolin's comments, especially on this thread, that he has a mental disability. Not trying to be funny or antagonize him; he's just way too wound up about nothing...and with a bunch of strangers no less! Best thing for the board and his mental health would be to just ignore him until he moves on.
a little premature wrote:
Best thing for the board and his mental health would be to just ignore him until he moves on.
Or to see how far we can push him over the edge....
ventolin^2 wrote:
trollism wrote:Ventolin. Do you honestly think the mods will give a psychopath like you somebody's IP address?
well, my retarded friend, they'd give it to this guy if he asked...
http://www.athleticsmanagers.com/member-managers/federico-rosa.htmli've sent him an e-mail to tell him he's being libelled & by who
What a load of crap, no one takes this board seriously. Salazar and Rupp have been slandered here for years...and the blojo's don't really care -- they recently reinstated a thread "speculating" / slandering Salazar.
There is some immature jealousy in the blojo's that inspires them to allow slander and near slander against Oregon near endlessly.
Why should a few Europeans be exempt?
And for the records, your uncivil name calling tirade against the OP, really just tells everyone what an asshole you are.
You want to take the guy on?
Can the name calling every other line, and take him on intellectually, point by point, and stop acting like an overly emotional child.
We'll listen more, and respect your points more, as it is you are so distasteful on this thread, I can no longer read your entire replies.
You can now advance to calling me names too, or not.
It's funny. Ventolin is a crazy person and if they venture onto message boards such as this, we may as well enjoy them.
Mr. Moron, you don't have to sign your name above every post. We know your name already.
And as for Rosa, one of his athletes has been caught already. So what's the matter?
I would actually want to ask Mr. Rosa for several questions. When did some strangely improving athletes join his team? What an innovatory training did he implement that they started to improve so dramatically over a single winter? Was Chepchumba's positive test her private renegade action? Why wasn't she fired from the team? Or was it only some "technicality" or "a metabolic disorder"? Why do only endurance athletes suffer from such EPO-related technicalities and disorders? And why can't other Africans consistently reach the times of the best runners - as it was the case in the past?
If he explains these things to me in a trustworthy manner, I am willing to apologize to him. But I think it is pretty unlikely.
And a private question for you: Have you ever been hospitalized in a lunatic asylum? Thanks.
By the way, thank you for the link to Rosa's and Hermen's team. I have never imagined that things would be simple and clear.
ventolin - I want to fight you so bad, you filthy piese of Euro trash. Where do you live? I live in Philadelphia and would be willing to travel up to 6000 milees to fight you up. If you are serious about fighting I will give you my email address.
Why does it matter if ventolin is 'European'. Americans are just as stupid at times.
I think he's a Brit, not sure though.
The people he's arguing with are European too mind you.
It doesn't make him stupid but it sure as heck makes him awkward. If anything, knowing that he's from somewhere in Europe might make his weird use of language a bit more understandable.
Is it possible that he is a troll? Hard to believe, but if he is I'd have to say he's one of the best we've ever seen. Has just about everyone riled up...
Your 1500m charts are interesting. How about 1997 when Fermin Cacho, who has never beaten 3:32, all of a sudden breaks 3:29 at age 28? And in general, after Morceli has taken down the world record to 3:27, destroying everyone, a number of guys are suddenly below 3:30, and komen runs 3:29 after never appearing before in the top ten. You can ask what happened to the runners of Euro descent and you can ask why so many Kenyans are on the top ten all of a sudden in the 1500m, but the key question is why the times improved so much so quickly. EPO, my friend.
So, we know that in every sport many top athletes cheat. We have had this confirmed so many times. And we know that for many years athletes get away with cheating, particularly because of a lack of testing. And distance times plummeted in the mid to late 1990s. And then after the EPO test was devised, times rose and have been far above the EPO era. Since then there has been CERA and other drugs, but right now the big anomaly, easily explained by EPO, is the mid to late 1990s. It is not because of "political correctness." Everyone gets tested, but people in hard to reach areas with weak national federations do not get tested as much, and there was no testing for the drug of choice in that era. So, what exactly is hard to understand or controversial about this cheating accusation?
CzechGuy wrote:
I posted a link to the thread, where Mr. Canova wanted to debunk all the "conspiracy theories" surrounding African athletes.
http://www.letsrun.com/phptest/flat_read.php?thread=2380221&page=2The thread ended quickly, after a Sorbian endurance athlete posted an experience from his encounter with Miss Chepkemei:
"You might be write when you say that Susan Chepkemei was suspende taking cought medecine. I feel sorry for that, I wish they caught her when she was doing EPO. She still didn't get what she deserves.
I have been keeping my mouth closed for years, but I had to respond on your posting since I can't stand anyone defending people doing drugs for years.
I happened to stay with Susan in the same house in 2004. At that time there were only my family (my wife and 2 years old child, both of which are not athletes), I and Susan at the house. Not to mention that one day in the fridge my two year old accidently found around 15 injections 10000IU of EPO each. When owner of the house, who was on long vacation, came back and discovered the same thing in the fridge, asked Susan to take her "staff" somewhere else and also asked her to leave the house. For those five weeks Susan made about $40000-$50000 running races in USA.
So, please stop defending her."
I think this could be a nice point of this discussion.
What have we learned during the last days? For example, that a pregnant woman (1-4 months, according to differing Mr. Canova's claims) needs a stuff against infertility. And coaching has never been as simple as today.
"Hey, I discovered you were fast. I think you can run 3:20."
"O.K. I will run it!"
Don't be ludicrous, Canova. Quit athletics, until they catch you and you are baffled. My recommendation: Become a fantasy writer. Start writing fish stories like "Snowhite and seven fast-improving Kembois".
You may have had some friend in WADA, who could save you, but you forgot one thing: the power of statistical analysis. This identifies all your champions as cheats. Their "hidden qualities" don't improve anymore, because they already stagnated before, and EPO won't help them in training.
You must dope at least 10 comparable talented guys to erase the striking, unparalleled development in endurance times during the last 15 years. But WADA will give you only a little chance now. All the stellar times, from the 800 to the 10 000 m, have been falling down during the last 4 years.
Look--it's obvious that Canova either dopes his athletes, helps them dope, or turns a blind eye to their doping. Ignore him. Like "Ventolin," he's a liar and a fool.
Who gives a f*** what your message is? You're nobody important; your mother lied to you.
This Czech guy is an idiot. Apparently, he just found out that the IOC is corrupt and most of the top athletes are on something. GOSH, REALLY. ARE YOU SURE? Tell us something we don't know already.
"Apparently, he just found out that the IOC is corrupt and most of the top athletes are on something. GOSH, REALLY. ARE YOU SURE? Tell us something we don't know already."
And still, for many people here it is a big surprise.
I promised to show you a web page about the current research concerning racial differences in sports performances. I had to rewrite it completely, because many new findings are now available, and I still haven't finished the update. But it is in a state that I can place on the internet already.
http://ospage2000.ic.cz/booboo.htm
I have much more information about this topic, but it could be already confusing for the reader.
CzechGuy wrote:
Don't be ludicrous, Canova. Quit athletics, until they catch you and you are baffled. My recommendation: Become a fantasy writer. Start writing fish stories like "Snowhite and seven fast-improving Kembois".
You may have had some friend in WADA, who could save you, but you forgot one thing: the power of statistical analysis. This identifies all your champions as cheats. Their "hidden qualities" don't improve anymore, because they already stagnated before, and EPO won't help them in training.
You must dope at least 10 comparable talented guys to erase the striking, unparalleled development in endurance times during the last 15 years. But WADA will give you only a little chance now. All the stellar times, from the 800 to the 10 000 m, have been falling down during the last 4 years.
So your 'proof' that Renato is doping his athletes is your statistical analysis? And he can do this because he "had some freind in WADA"?
Ok man, whatever.
Moron, you can run but you can´t hide!
wordup wrote:
Czechguy, just wondering, do you have ANY link whatsoever, or experience, of elite African distance runners, because I'm getting this image of you sitting in your dark basement just searching results and making trend graphs and drawing conclusions based on rare cases which you seem to apply to a whole group, and that case (Chepkemei), you are basing your conclusion on an anonymous message board poster. Anything, lived with any of them, trained with any of them, spoke to any of them?? I know several people who have been to Kenya/ Ethiopia, lived with world record athletes and sub13 men, and who told me he's swear on his life the ones he was around were clean. To imagine that they are somehow ferrying bucketloads of illegal drugs in and dosing up on them when no one else is looking is absurd, especially when so many of them who aren't the very top tier (say 12:55-13.10, 2:07-2:08 athletes have hardly any money at all. You seem to tar the east africans with the brush of the north africans, which is like saying that the russians' systematic doping means the British team is dirty. Why not follow up Renato on his offer and go out to Kenya or Ethiopia, train with some of these athletes, rather than talking drivel about something you clearly have no idea about. And please stop wasting Renato's time or drive him away from this message board, because he has voluntarily given us a window into the training and lifestyle of the world's best distance runners.
Don't be such a pussy!
What do you want?...a load of sycophants telling Canova how wonderful he is and we're so lucky to have his superior and righteous views??
Czech guy is entitled to post his credible analysis, which at least is backed up with stats, as much as a coach who is evasive at times. If the Italian coach doesn't like what Czech guy says, then he can chose not to read it.
ventolin^2 wrote:
idiot
you are completely clueless about basic legal matters
either he'll ask the mods to take action & if they don't, he likely will as he's got a reputation to protect
this may be the wild west in your naive eyes, but in reality it isn't
Moron. You really are the most cretinous person ever to post on these boards!
If everyone on here could vote for one imbecile, who is so up his own ass, to get banned from this site, it would be you.
ventolin^2 wrote:
Moron, you can run but you can´t hide!
You are one sick moron.
If you think I am the OP, you are wrong.
This thread is crazy. For once Ventolin is talking sense, why all of a sudden does everyone think every single African runner is on drugs? I take it CzechGuy is a troll also using multiple names, so 9/10, this is a funny thread. If this is not the case then why the hell is everyone jumping on Ventolin when for the first time in his life he has thrown away the calculator and is talking sense.
Im not convinced this is Renato Canova, why would he pop out of no where for this thread? Plus some of the language and insults he uses are strange for an old man. Plus I dont think Canova dopes all of his athletes but he is just a bad coach, who abuses his runners by training them into the ground over a short period then dumping them. Kemboi, Mosop etc are all around for a short time then fade away.
I also find the European insulting funny when USA is the fattest, dumbest, rudest and laziest country in the world.
Furious D
Peace Out Trollz
xXx
You wonder why people are jumping down Ventolin's throat?
Wow.