That was a weird race but I'm OK with it. Running in 80 degree dew point certainly deprived us of a more predictable result. Would love to see the Ethiopians and Kenyans take the men's 5000m final at 12:50 pace but seems more likely that will be a 13:12 race.
Nader has come from nowhere; Wightman has already been a world champion. His break due to injury explains his comeback. There is no such explanation for Nader. Their respective careers are quite different.
You are wrong if you think I see doping according to racial criteria. As I have said in other threads, doping is everywhere but in some countries more than others. Russia and Kenya have shown that.
Wightman broke 3:30 for the first time at age 26, same as Nader. He didn’t break 1:44 or win any global medals until he was 28. Nobody picked him for gold in Eugene (recall he was soundly beaten by Ingebrigtsen and Hoare in Oslo), and since then he’s done nothing until now, just missing gold today at the age of 31.
I’m surprised you aren’t suspicious of Wightman given the way you feel about Nader. It’s almost like you don’t apply a consistent standard and just decide who is clean/dirty based on preference ethnicity.
Only by turning Japanese will one not go home devastated. Such a person, though they lose, will be running in Japan and therefore are already home, devastated or otherwise.
If your 3:28 guys all run 3:34 pace, it's no "upset" if some other 3:34 guy wins.
refusing to push the pace is stupid. This could have happened in 2021 if Tim and Jakob hadn't cooperated to prevent it.
It wasn't a 3:34 race in the sense of that being run even-paced. It was a 1:48 race over the last 800. Only the best could possibly stay with that. That's why it killed the sub-3:30 runners other than the winner.
I consider myself a serious fan and didn't recognize his name until after the semi finals. Sharing this to help others in a similar situation feel better!
A 3:29/1:43 guy? Really?
I could see your mom's look when she got you report card. "Alexi does not pay attention in class. Needs improvement"
Nader has come from nowhere; Wightman has already been a world champion. His break due to injury explains his comeback. There is no such explanation for Nader. Their respective careers are quite different.
You are wrong if you think I see doping according to racial criteria. As I have said in other threads, doping is everywhere but in some countries more than others. Russia and Kenya have shown that.
Wightman broke 3:30 for the first time at age 26, same as Nader. He didn’t break 1:44 or win any global medals until he was 28. Nobody picked him for gold in Eugene (recall he was soundly beaten by Ingebrigtsen and Hoare in Oslo), and since then he’s done nothing until now, just missing gold today at the age of 31.
I’m surprised you aren’t suspicious of Wightman given the way you feel about Nader. It’s almost like you don’t apply a consistent standard and just decide who is clean/dirty based on preference.
You conveniently leave out Wightman's years of injury - speaking there of double standards. I never said I would give Wightman or any other runner an automatic pass but his rise to the top didn't come out of the blue. I don't recall any threads here suggesting he passed the "doping test", so to speak. Of course, it helps that he doesn't have a N African background, given what we know of doping in the sport. Nader reminds me of a certain other N African who also finished like a train in 2012.
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Well he’s been injured since Eugene so there’s that. And he is a much better championship racer than both Ingebrigtsen and Hoare. He’s a great tactician and a pure 800m/1500m runner. I don’t think he suits DL time trials.
There’s also an art to peaking at the right time. Because winning DL races in May doesn’t translate to medalling in global championships. As we have well seen today.
I’m not saying Nader is doping but there’s nothing suspicious about Jake either.
You missed the point. We are both asking armstronglivs to apply the same logic towards wightman that he is using to discredit nader. extremely similar career progressions, and similar results. but armstronglivs casts dispersions on one and not the other. he just doesn't have the guts to admit why.
For the record, im very happy for wightmans return and naders win. very cool to see how hard work and consistency gets rewarded in the unpredictable 1500m
I have explained why. You are falsely trying to argue the same rationale applies to both runners. It doesn't. I look forward to your explanation when Nader goes the way of Katir, as I believe he probably will.
Check Wightman´s page at IAAF. He was an "also ran" until his mid twenties. And has improved much more from his early twenties than Nader has.
You don't know that it was a change of training that enabled Nader's improvement, as is being postulated. There is no miracle method that enables a sudden progression from nonentity and journeyman to world champion in an already physically mature athlete. But drugs can do it. Ramzi. Katir.
I could see your mom's look when she got you report card. "Alexi does not pay attention in class. Needs improvement"
I don't recall you picking him to win.
Only douchebags "pick races". I have been able to enjoy the sport for over 50 years without playing childish games. You should try it Armstronglive? Then you wouldn't be so angry all the time without having the need to vandalize every thread you see.
Only douchebags "pick races". I have been able to enjoy the sport for over 50 years without playing childish games. You should try it Armstronglive? Then you wouldn't be so angry all the time without having the need to vandalize every thread you see.
Do you want to contribute to the discussion?
This place must be largely made up of "douchebags" then because most of the speculation about championship races is who will win - Ingebrigtsen, Hocker, Kerr, Laros etc. Good to know that you're above all that - it doesn't matter to you. So what does, out of curiosity?
BTW, speaking of anger we are both identified as the grumpy old men of this place. Kind of like the old guys in The Muppets. You should cut someone some slack who apparently shares the same box as you.
Only douchebags "pick races". I have been able to enjoy the sport for over 50 years without playing childish games. You should try it Armstronglive? Then you wouldn't be so angry all the time without having the need to vandalize every thread you see.
Do you want to contribute to the discussion?
This place must be largely made up of "douchebags" then because most of the speculation about championship races is who will win - Ingebrigtsen, Hocker, Kerr, Laros etc. Good to know that you're above all that - it doesn't matter to you. So what does, out of curiosity?
Its obvious that this messageboard is dominated by douchebags. Thats quite different to who actually reads it.
What matters to me is what actually happens, not what you want to happen in your pathetic fantasies. Try enjoying reality. Then you wouldn't be so angry.
That was a weird race but I'm OK with it. Running in 80 degree dew point certainly deprived us of a more predictable result. Would love to see the Ethiopians and Kenyans take the men's 5000m final at 12:50 pace but seems more likely that will be a 13:12 race.
Those won't be the conditions in the 5000m. Pay attention.
That was a weird race but I'm OK with it. Running in 80 degree dew point certainly deprived us of a more predictable result. Would love to see the Ethiopians and Kenyans take the men's 5000m final at 12:50 pace but seems more likely that will be a 13:12 race.
The temperature is dropping significantly over the next few days.
For all that want to compare the career of Nader with that of Jake Wightman, at the same age :
WIGHTMAN
21y : 1'47"36 - 3'40"05 (plus 48"74 in 400m)
22y : 1'47"13 - 3'36"64 (plus 48"34)
23y : 1'45"42 - 3'34"17 (plus 30'29" in 10 km road)
24y : 1'44"61 - 3'33"96
25y : 1'45"08 - 3'31"87
26y : 1'44"18 - 3'29"47
NADER
21y : 1'47"93 - 3'39"97
22y : 1'46"42 - 3'37"81 (plus 29'21" in 10 km road)
23y : 1'47"16 - 3'37"80 (plus 7'53"40 in 3000m indoor)
24y : 1'45"32 - 3'31"48
25y : 1'45"11 - 3'30"84 (plus 29'07" in 10 km road)
26y : 1'43"86 - 3'29"37 (plus 28'01" in 10 km road)
The big change in Nader was when he started to be coached by Enrique Pascual. He gave more space to the aerobic training of high quality in winter (till running 10 km in 28'01" in January this year) for supporting more volume of specific speed.
The development of the career is very similar the one of Jake Wightman, so it's not possible to say that Isaac Nader "came from nowhere".
It's funny how any athletes with a normal development in his career who is not British or American "comes from nowhere", also if is already one of the best in the world.
This only shows that the most part of people speaks without any knowledge of the global world, thinking that they are at the center of the world.
In athletics is not so difficult to know the reality : there are times and meters, and the statistics can offer a good help before speaking. But nothing help who is lazy, and sometimes also arrogant, and prisoner of his opinion based on fried air.