1590 SAT scorer, working at PhD level role at Google at 18, sues Cornell and other schools over racial discrimination.

youaredumb wrote:

Harambe wrote:

The fact is that most kids getting rejected with 1550 SATs and APs crammed to the brim are likely not that talented. They have farmed a “perfect” resume through insane levels of work at the expense of lots of other positive experiences.

Colleges select against this.

Again, very true, on the micro-level. Students like these do exist, I knew a few myself. However, when you look look at the stats on a macro level, it is obvious there is systematic discrimination against whites and asains going on. The evidence was so convincing the Supreme Court ruled against Harvard a few years ago.

Do you seriously believe that every black and latino student had so many "positive experiences" that they were able to overcome 200+ point gaps in average SAT scores? And at the same time, every white and asian was just some loser incel with good stats? Come on, that makes no sense logically.

Equal treatment for all wrote:

Link:www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/03/fat...

According to the complaint, despite Stanley's academic credentials — a 3.97 unweighted GPA, a 1590 SAT score and significant achievements in computer science, including advancing to the Google Code Jam semifinals and winning second place in MIT Battlecode's global high school division — he was denied admission to Cornell and 15 other schools.
The lawsuit highlights that shortly after these rejections, Stanley received a full-time job offer from Google for a position typically requiring a Ph.D. or equivalent experience. This offer was extended after a rigorous evaluation process, including assessments of his technical skills and teamwork abilities.
In addition to his academic achievements, Stanley founded RabbitSign, an unlimited free e-signing service developed during the COVID-19 pandemic which he wrote about in his college essays. The platform was recognized by Amazon Web Services for its efficiency and security, leading to a feature in an upcoming case study by Amazon.

The lawsuit is supported by Students Who Oppose Racial Discrimination, an organization founded in October 2024 by the Zhongs to help themselves and any willing families to challenge what it alleges are racially discriminatory admissions policies in higher education.
According to the SWORD website, numerous college admission counselors examined Stanley Zhong’s applications and essays after media outlets like CBS and USA Today began to cover his story. However, none of them were able to discern the cause for rejection, with some even offering to testify as expert witnesses.

Does anyone believe that the sole reason he was rejected wasn't his race (as well as gender)? It's blindingly obvious. If he was a black female he'd have been accepted everywhere he applied.

coach wrote:

youaredumb wrote:

Again, very true, on the micro-level. Students like these do exist, I knew a few myself. However, when you look look at the stats on a macro level, it is obvious there is systematic discrimination against whites and asains going on. The evidence was so convincing the Supreme Court ruled against Harvard a few years ago.

Do you seriously believe that every black and latino student had so many "positive experiences" that they were able to overcome 200+ point gaps in average SAT scores? And at the same time, every white and asian was just some loser incel with good stats? Come on, that makes no sense logically.

I worked in a school made up mostly of poor Black and Latino kids from very rough housing projects. I'm glad that these kids with 1200s -1300s on their SATs were given an opportunity to go to some of the Ivies and other elite schools in the northeast. I don't know what it is like living in a place with piss in the elevators, people shooting guns off the roofs and random violence but it certainly effects your ability ro learn. The problem is that many Asians live in these same projects, are poor, but are not given the same opportunities. Consideration should be given to poor disadvantaged kids of every race.

I had no problem when my rich white suburban nieces and nephews with outstanding scores were denied admission to Wharton and other Ivies.

acepo wrote:

Equal treatment for all wrote:

Link:www.cornellsun.com/article/2025/03/fat...

According to the complaint, despite Stanley's academic credentials — a 3.97 unweighted GPA, a 1590 SAT score and significant achievements in computer science, including advancing to the Google Code Jam semifinals and winning second place in MIT Battlecode's global high school division — he was denied admission to Cornell and 15 other schools.
The lawsuit highlights that shortly after these rejections, Stanley received a full-time job offer from Google for a position typically requiring a Ph.D. or equivalent experience. This offer was extended after a rigorous evaluation process, including assessments of his technical skills and teamwork abilities.
In addition to his academic achievements, Stanley founded RabbitSign, an unlimited free e-signing service developed during the COVID-19 pandemic which he wrote about in his college essays. The platform was recognized by Amazon Web Services for its efficiency and security, leading to a feature in an upcoming case study by Amazon.

The lawsuit is supported by Students Who Oppose Racial Discrimination, an organization founded in October 2024 by the Zhongs to help themselves and any willing families to challenge what it alleges are racially discriminatory admissions policies in higher education.
According to the SWORD website, numerous college admission counselors examined Stanley Zhong’s applications and essays after media outlets like CBS and USA Today began to cover his story. However, none of them were able to discern the cause for rejection, with some even offering to testify as expert witnesses.

Does anyone believe that the sole reason he was rejected wasn't his race (as well as gender)? It's blindingly obvious. If he was a black female he'd have been accepted everywhere he applied.

this story reads more to me like a classic "when one door closes another opens" tale.

Looks like the kid is going to be alright. Forgo college to make millions off your brains and talent anyways. no harm no foul.

not sure why he didn't get into Cornell or any other school. maybe it was the "black female" who took his spot or maybe it was the legacy kid who's grandparents went to Cornell. You know the guy. He plays lacrosse, slings back beers, shows up late to every class, and has daddy pay for everything? or maybe it's the daughter of a staff member. Or maybe it's the son of a Hollywood actor who made a big ol donation.

Who knows.

Veee Eyee Teee wrote:

you can look his grades up, he attached them to his lawsuit, which is posted online if you dig and follow links. yes, they are nearly perfect. but they are also generally NOT gifted or honors classes. i thought regular classes were easy. if you are MIT or berkley and used to getting endless honor roll report cards, and your job is admissions, you will notice some kid who has a bunch of regular, non-honors classes. you will come across far less serious.

where i grew up, you could take about 4 honors classes a semester. 2/3 my classes were honors. math, science, english, a language. then an elective and a sport period. which was demanding. and at that rate a perfect grade point weighted is slightly over 5. and 20%+ of my class is taking at least some of those classes and over 4 weighted. and the gap between unweighted and weighted becomes possibly over a point. indicating a hard schedule.

youaredumb wrote:

coach wrote:

I worked in a school made up mostly of poor Black and Latino kids from very rough housing projects. I'm glad that these kids with 1200s -1300s on their SATs were given an opportunity to go to some of the Ivies and other elite schools in the northeast. I don't know what it is like living in a place with piss in the elevators, people shooting guns off the roofs and random violence but it certainly effects your ability ro learn. The problem is that many Asians live in these same projects, are poor, but are not given the same opportunities. Consideration should be given to poor disadvantaged kids of every race.

I had no problem when my rich white suburban nieces and nephews with outstanding scores were denied admission to Wharton and other Ivies.

I would have no problem with your proposal is there was an infinite number of spots at these schools. The issue is that "giving these opportunities" necessitates taking rightfully earned opportunities away from other people. It would be like giving CJ Albertson Mantz's olympic spot because he didn't have all the same fancy training aids and cushy pro runner lifestyle. Maybe Albertson would have qualified with that stuff, maybe he wouldn't have. However, all we have to go off of are the actual results that the two men worked for. Putting our hands of the scale after the fact would be wrong, and is it also illegal when done on the basis of race.

Your nieces and nephews might live in wealthy suburban neighborhoods, but that doesn't mean every, or even the majority or white kids do. There are plenty of trailer parks full of white children who have terrible home lives. Under the current system Barack Obama's daughters' would be given preference over all of them. That is simply wrong, and must stop.

youaredumb wrote:

Harambe wrote:

The fact is that most kids getting rejected with 1550 SATs and APs crammed to the brim are likely not that talented. They have farmed a “perfect” resume through insane levels of work at the expense of lots of other positive experiences.

Colleges select against this.

Again, very true, on the micro-level. Students like these do exist, I knew a few myself. However, when you look look at the stats on a macro level, it is obvious there is systematic discrimination against whites and asains going on. The evidence was so convincing the Supreme Court ruled against Harvard a few years ago.

Do you seriously believe that every black and latino student had so many "positive experiences" that they were able to overcome 200+ point gaps in average SAT scores? And at the same time, every white and asian was just some loser incel with good stats? Come on, that makes no sense logically.

coach wrote:

youaredumb wrote:

Again, very true, on the micro-level. Students like these do exist, I knew a few myself. However, when you look look at the stats on a macro level, it is obvious there is systematic discrimination against whites and asains going on. The evidence was so convincing the Supreme Court ruled against Harvard a few years ago.

Do you seriously believe that every black and latino student had so many "positive experiences" that they were able to overcome 200+ point gaps in average SAT scores? And at the same time, every white and asian was just some loser incel with good stats? Come on, that makes no sense logically.

I worked in a school made up mostly of poor Black and Latino kids from very rough housing projects. I'm glad that these kids with 1200s -1300s on their SATs were given an opportunity to go to some of the Ivies and other elite schools in the northeast. I don't know what it is like living in a place with piss in the elevators, people shooting guns off the roofs and random violence but it certainly effects your ability ro learn. The problem is that many Asians live in these same projects, are poor, but are not given the same opportunities. Consideration should be given to poor disadvantaged kids of every race.

I had no problem when my rich white suburban nieces and nephews with outstanding scores were denied admission to Wharton and other Ivies.

Harambe wrote:

coach wrote:

I worked in a school made up mostly of poor Black and Latino kids from very rough housing projects. I'm glad that these kids with 1200s -1300s on their SATs were given an opportunity to go to some of the Ivies and other elite schools in the northeast. I don't know what it is like living in a place with piss in the elevators, people shooting guns off the roofs and random violence but it certainly effects your ability ro learn. The problem is that many Asians live in these same projects, are poor, but are not given the same opportunities. Consideration should be given to poor disadvantaged kids of every race.

I had no problem when my rich white suburban nieces and nephews with outstanding scores were denied admission to Wharton and other Ivies.

Yup. Nobody has a right to go to an elite private school. There’s plenty of great race blind publics out there that you can get into if you deserve it.