I think she should focus on the 1500/3000 for outdoor. She seems to be missing that “power gear” she used to have. Could be good for her to work on that for a season.
No. It was definitely success. But it just wasn't impressive. Expectations a few years ago were for her to make the 2024 team and be the top American by now. Instead, we are happy that she was able to edge out a college runner.
She is a 5,000m runner. 4:25 ftw from the front against an older collegiate miler who has likely done much more speedwork is good. The hope is she can get into 14:40s shape for Trials with solid speed ~4:19-4:22. She looks on track, and that would give her a great shot to make a team.
Nielsen is impressive. Keep in mind though, that even though she is only a Jr, she is a year older than Tuohy... a lot of foreign athletes in the NCAA are older collegians.
Plus Nielsen is an international, and has already represented her country. A 2-flat 800m runner, but she’s clearly better than that now anyway.
I think she should focus on the 1500/3000 for outdoor. She seems to be missing that “power gear” she used to have. Could be good for her to work on that for a season.
No. It was definitely success. But it just wasn't impressive. Expectations a few years ago were for her to make the 2024 team and be the top American by now. Instead, we are happy that she was able to edge out a college runner.
She is a 5,000m runner. 4:25 ftw from the front against an older collegiate miler who has likely done much more speedwork is good. The hope is she can get into 14:40s shape for Trials with solid speed ~4:19-4:22. She looks on track, and that would give her a great shot to make a team.
Who runs PRs in the middle of January? And at the elite level why would you want to?
Her PR is from the same meet in January of 2023.
Yeah i dont know what they are talking about. a PR is just validation of training. It has nothing to do with when you will peak. The only difference in this race vs 2023 is that she had to do all the work in this one and helped pull Nielsen to a great time whereas in 2023 Alicia Monson did all the work and pulled Tuohy to a great time. Her fitness is probably pretty comparable.
Nielsen is impressive. Keep in mind though, that even though she is only a Jr, she is a year older than Tuohy... a lot of foreign athletes in the NCAA are older collegians.
Plus Nielsen is an international, and has already represented her country. A 2-flat 800m runner, but she’s clearly better than that now anyway.
Didn’t realize she was a year older - or that experienced. Thought she was 20 or so.
Alright, before the haters start attacking. Yes, she had a “not so great” Professional debut year in 2024. But, as most of us know, she was injured. She still showed up and tried (and even ran a 15:07 5,000m, which is close to her previous PR).
With that being said, let’s not forget her collegiate accomplishments, listed here:
Collegiate achievements 1500 meters indoor – 4:06.49+ (New York, NY 2023) NCAA record Mile indoor – 4:24.26 (New York, NY 2023) NCAA record 3000 meters indoor – 8:35.20 (New York, NY 2023) NCAA record 3000 meters indoor U20 – 8:54.18 (Boston, MA 2021) NU20R 5000 meters: 15:03.12 (Walnut, CA 2023) NCAA record
4 NCAA National Titles to her name, and 4 NCAA Records at the time she was in college. The best that has even been in her events she competed in. That’s quite historic (literally).
In addition to all that, when she won NCAA D1 Cross Country in 2023, she also broke the historic course record in Oklahoma and led the entire field to such fast times that nearly 20 women ALSO broke the previous course record. In one race.
Now, since going pro and signing with Adidas, she hasn’t had the greatest start to her professional career.
But she’s been re-building, training, preparing and planning. Now it’s 2025 and she’s making her debut at the Dr Sanders Scorcher Indoor Invitational, and is set to run the Indoor Mile in just about an hour from now (to be televised on Peacock).
She has stated during an interview that she would like to qualify for, and run in the USATF Indoor National Championships. To qualify for that, she would have to run under 4:27:00 today. Looks like Sam Bush is in the field to pace out the first 800m in 2:11 (Elly Henes is in the field as well).
Tuohy is not going to show up after this hiatus and re-build if she isn’t ready to run very, very fast.
Alicia Monson has the meet record in the Dr Sanders Invitationa Mile of 4:23.55 (set in 2023). Could it go down in Tuohy’s 2025 debut?
You're clearly a KT fan, which is great. She's a fantastic talent, and given your detailed biography of her NCAA career she should transition into a quality professional runner. That being said, once you toe the line as a pro no one cares about your NCAA accomplishments. Advice: Find a good coach, manager/agent, and training group.
She is a 5,000m runner. 4:25 ftw from the front against an older collegiate miler who has likely done much more speedwork is good. The hope is she can get into 14:40s shape for Trials with solid speed ~4:19-4:22. She looks on track, and that would give her a great shot to make a team.
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With indoors, you never know exactly how seriously the athletes are taking in terms of reducing volume and terms of hard workouts. 4:25 isn’t awesome but it is definitely a solid time for someone who is going to be looking to run a sub 14:50 in 5 months. You just athletes get a solid training block and we get to see what they can do
Running slower than she did two years ago in college is on the right track? 🤨
She said in the citius interview that they talked about "going for the win vs running fast" in her first competitive run of the year. She also talked about how the deeper field (like Monson etc) in 2023 helped make her get a better time.
You clearly won't be swayed by any of these points but:
1. It is incredibly unlikely she peaked in her first competition of the season.
2. Deeper field will push pace so that will help (but could cost her a win too)
3. Racing is running to win. To think she went 100% for time is pretty naive.
4. I think she held back first couple of laps and then had to hold off the Duck for the rest of the race. Definitely, not going to get her a PB as a tactic. For that matter, she said she thought the pacers were in the race until the first one dropped. If you want to criticize Touhy then her not knowing about pacers is a reasonable criticism.
I think even the biggest Touhy fan acknowledges she can lose any race. It is just weird to see other people saying her winning a race means effectively she failed because she did not pb.
And....she didnt realize there were 2 pacers. I dont think would have changed where she wanted to sit in the field, but it would have affected her mentality.
Yup! She raced a few times last year. Tuohy fans like to delude themselves. It’s a coping mechanism because the reality that she hasn’t gotten better than she was in college is too difficult for them to bear. Anyone who points out this objective truth gets downvoted by her delusional fans.
Personally, I don’t care whether she’s better or not yet.
A good result after coming off of injury is a good result. And her first professional win
Cheering for her.
She's alllllways coming off an injury in her die hard fans opinion. My kid runs D1 and nagging injuries and niggles are a part of the sport. If every athlete had an asterisks like Tuohy for "coming off injury" the results page would be full of them. Give it a rest
Personally, I don’t care whether she’s better or not yet.
A good result after coming off of injury is a good result. And her first professional win
Cheering for her.
She's alllllways coming off an injury in her die hard fans opinion. My kid runs D1 and nagging injuries and niggles are a part of the sport. If every athlete had an asterisks like Tuohy for "coming off injury" the results page would be full of them. Give it a rest
Hmmm. She’s only had like 2 or 3 injuries in her entire career. Why are YOU so injured over the post?
I think she should focus on the 1500/3000 for outdoor. She seems to be missing that “power gear” she used to have. Could be good for her to work on that for a season.
You can tell that by watching her season opening mile?
She's alllllways coming off an injury in her die hard fans opinion. My kid runs D1 and nagging injuries and niggles are a part of the sport. If every athlete had an asterisks like Tuohy for "coming off injury" the results page would be full of them. Give it a rest
Hmmm. She’s only had like 2 or 3 injuries in her entire career. Why are YOU so injured over the post?
That's my point - she hasn't had many but every single thread she's credited w doing well after "coming off injury" I dare you to find one that doesn't say that in the last 2 years. It's just a double standard. All these athletes work their tails off. All of them with the very small exception of a few lucky ones are always dealing w injury. Didn't Henes have surgery on her lungs? Credit to her for running so well after that.