We already knew from WADA about Kenya's serious doping problem, and some of the reasons for it, as far back 2014.
The contradiction is that you said it's not getting better, contradicting the optimism of the recent progress report.
The only "progress" is they continue to catch more of their dopers. But they will never catch all of them or anything like it. Their doping remains as extravagant - as "serious" - as it always has been. It isn't the exception in their sport - it is their sport.
That is a dumb-downed way of not understanding the problem, and a feeble attempt to justify your stubborn-as-an-ass insistence on remaining ignorant of anything that might challenge your long held beliefs.
The increased doping busts are predictable, when testing is signficantly increased as the AIU has described since its formation, both increasing the number of tests per athlete, and increasing the number of athletes tested, even when doping prevalence doesn't exceed the world-wide average. Recall, in 2015, the Sunday Times published figures suggesting Kenya's blood-doping suspicion was below the world average between 2001 and 2012, based on the (then) IAAF's own data of a large sample of 12,000+ blood tests for 5,000+ athletes, contradicting a widely held belief claiming EPO must be responsible for Kenyan performances in the EPO-era.
Is there any objective evidence that suggests the "extent" of Kenyan doping is now above the worldwide average, rather than busts increasing because the number of athletes tested increased?
Doping is a serious problem worldwide. Given the AIU's stated strategy of testing fast athletes, in most other nations, the dopers will simply be too slow to be tested and the AIU will never catch them all, as the AIU doesn't routinely test the losing end of any race.
Is this a bit like you contradicting WADA, AIU, the overwhelming scientific consensus, and athletes and coaches alike, that EPO doesn't work? Simply because GB, Russia, and Antartica didn't improve their marathon times in the EPO era?
It might be if I had ever contradicted "WADA, AIU, the overwhelming scientific consensus, and athletes and coaches alike, that EPO doesn't work".
I don't cherry-pick GB, Russia, and Antarctica, and the marathon. The incontrovertible fact is that the EPO-era was a period of insignificant progression for all non-Africans world-wide, for about three decades, for all events from the 800m to the marathon, with average top-quality gains of 0.3-0.7% compared to the '80s. Some like you, believe that non-Africans simply don't dope, (contradicting WADA, AIU, the overwhelming scientific consensus, and athletes and coaches alike). Others believed that non-Africans were already performing at their potential in the '80s, thanks to the synergy of steroids and blood transfusions.
A doping thread started by Coevett with Rekrunner on page 8 denying EPOs effectiveness! What a novelty!
For some reason Australia, Britain and New Zealand going backwards in the period from the 1980s through to the mid 2000s was somehow evidence that epo had no influence on athletics. And there are countless explanations. I might check again in another 8 pages, I won't miss much!
rekrunner, a Mark Twain quote comes to mind when trying to deal with Armstronglivs: "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.".
That isn't what I was saying. They obviously don't dope as much as the Kenyans do. But this thread is about Kenyan doping. If you want to discuss the rest of the world, make your own thread.
So not everybody is doping. But you often have said anybody at the top is doping.
Anybody is not everybody. You do know these are different words?
I'm not saying that either. Why don't you figure things out for yourself? Doping is likely be necessary now to excel at sports. However doping will probably be less of a feature amongst lower level athletes, for whom the rewards are less.
The only "progress" is they continue to catch more of their dopers. But they will never catch all of them or anything like it. Their doping remains as extravagant - as "serious" - as it always has been. It isn't the exception in their sport - it is their sport.
That is a dumb-downed way of not understanding the problem, and a feeble attempt to justify your stubborn-as-an-ass insistence on remaining ignorant of anything that might challenge your long held beliefs.
The increased doping busts are predictable, when testing is signficantly increased as the AIU has described since its formation, both increasing the number of tests per athlete, and increasing the number of athletes tested, even when doping prevalence doesn't exceed the world-wide average. Recall, in 2015, the Sunday Times published figures suggesting Kenya's blood-doping suspicion was below the world average between 2001 and 2012, based on the (then) IAAF's own data of a large sample of 12,000+ blood tests for 5,000+ athletes, contradicting a widely held belief claiming EPO must be responsible for Kenyan performances in the EPO-era.
Is there any objective evidence that suggests the "extent" of Kenyan doping is now above the worldwide average, rather than busts increasing because the number of athletes tested increased?
Doping is a serious problem worldwide. Given the AIU's stated strategy of testing fast athletes, in most other nations, the dopers will simply be too slow to be tested and the AIU will never catch them all, as the AIU doesn't routinely test the losing end of any race.
You really do practise stupidity like an art form. Firstly, the number of drug busts in Kenya are well above the average globally, and, secondly, this isn't simply because of more testing but is because its doping problem is regarded as so serious as to require a highly focused antidoping response.
rekrunner, a Mark Twain quote comes to mind when trying to deal with Armstronglivs: "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.".
You're best off just ignoring him.
You have just given me advice for dealing with rekrunner and his hopeless devotees. Like yourself.
That is a dumb-downed way of not understanding the problem, and a feeble attempt to justify your stubborn-as-an-ass insistence on remaining ignorant of anything that might challenge your long held beliefs.
The increased doping busts are predictable, when testing is signficantly increased as the AIU has described since its formation, both increasing the number of tests per athlete, and increasing the number of athletes tested, even when doping prevalence doesn't exceed the world-wide average. Recall, in 2015, the Sunday Times published figures suggesting Kenya's blood-doping suspicion was below the world average between 2001 and 2012, based on the (then) IAAF's own data of a large sample of 12,000+ blood tests for 5,000+ athletes, contradicting a widely held belief claiming EPO must be responsible for Kenyan performances in the EPO-era.
Is there any objective evidence that suggests the "extent" of Kenyan doping is now above the worldwide average, rather than busts increasing because the number of athletes tested increased?
Doping is a serious problem worldwide. Given the AIU's stated strategy of testing fast athletes, in most other nations, the dopers will simply be too slow to be tested and the AIU will never catch them all, as the AIU doesn't routinely test the losing end of any race.
You really do practise stupidity like an art form. Firstly, the number of drug busts in Kenya are well above the average globally, and, secondly, this isn't simply because of more testing but is because its doping problem is regarded as so serious as to require a highly focused antidoping response.
It's also because of the number of fast athletes. More elite and sub-elite athletes = greater number of tests.
rekrunner, a Mark Twain quote comes to mind when trying to deal with Armstronglivs: "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.".
You're best off just ignoring him.
You have just given me advice for dealing with rekrunner and his hopeless devotees. Like yourself.
Devotees? You follow him around like a puppy follows his master.
I'm not saying that either. Why don't you figure things out for yourself? Doping is likely be necessary now to excel at sports. However doping will probably be less of a feature amongst lower level athletes, for whom the rewards are less.
You say everybody at the top is doping - regardless Kenyan or non Kenyan. You also say Kenyans dope more than non Kenyans. So, not every non Kenyan is doping.
You really do practise stupidity like an art form. Firstly, the number of drug busts in Kenya are well above the average globally, and, secondly, this isn't simply because of more testing but is because its doping problem is regarded as so serious as to require a highly focused antidoping response.
I could believe your dumb-downed beliefs if the AIU didn't tell me otherwise. The AIU explains that it is a combination of Kenya's depth of their pyramid of top-class talent, and the AIU's increased testing of athletes in the second and third tiers. The absolute number of drug busts doesn't tell us what the doping prevalence (ratio of doped athletes to athletes) is among Kenyan athletes.
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rekrunner, a Mark Twain quote comes to mind when trying to deal with Armstronglivs: "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.".
You're best off just ignoring him.
It's very apt -- unfortunately it is a lesson I was aware of and that I failed to learn already 15 years ago, and Armstronglivs is just one of a long chain of believers who want to drag me down to their level.
Whatever anyone wants to believe about my arguments, or theirs, one of my goals is also to try to introduce contemporaneous facts into the discussion that seem to contradict many of the myths.
You really do practise stupidity like an art form. Firstly, the number of drug busts in Kenya are well above the average globally, and, secondly, this isn't simply because of more testing but is because its doping problem is regarded as so serious as to require a highly focused antidoping response.
I could believe your dumb-downed beliefs if the AIU didn't tell me otherwise. The AIU explains that it is a combination of Kenya's depth of their pyramid of top-class talent, and the AIU's increased testing of athletes in the second and third tiers. The absolute number of drug busts doesn't tell us what the doping prevalence (ratio of doped athletes to athletes) is among Kenyan athletes.
This is so well beyond his capabilities of understanding.
You really do practise stupidity like an art form. Firstly, the number of drug busts in Kenya are well above the average globally, and, secondly, this isn't simply because of more testing but is because its doping problem is regarded as so serious as to require a highly focused antidoping response.
It's also because of the number of fast athletes. More elite and sub-elite athletes = greater number of tests.
That isn't why they are being targeted by antidoping. It's because for some years it has been recognised Kenya has a serious doping problem. Their own athletics head has acknowledged this when he said he feared a ban in 2022. WA has said Kenya needs to "clean up its act".
If other countries were seen as comparable they, too, would be the focus of greatly increased testing.
You really do practise stupidity like an art form. Firstly, the number of drug busts in Kenya are well above the average globally, and, secondly, this isn't simply because of more testing but is because its doping problem is regarded as so serious as to require a highly focused antidoping response.
I could believe your dumb-downed beliefs if the AIU didn't tell me otherwise. The AIU explains that it is a combination of Kenya's depth of their pyramid of top-class talent, and the AIU's increased testing of athletes in the second and third tiers. The absolute number of drug busts doesn't tell us what the doping prevalence (ratio of doped athletes to athletes) is among Kenyan athletes.
More evasive cr*p. The claim isn't that their doping busts tell us the exact ratio of violations to prevalence. That is a dumb straw-man. No one knows the exact prevalence - because not all dopers are caught, moron. Yet what the stream of violations tells everybody - except nutjobs like you - is that they have one of the worst doping problems on the planet and currently the worst in the sport. Your denial is tantamount to a terminal disease. Incurable.
I'm not saying that either. Why don't you figure things out for yourself? Doping is likely be necessary now to excel at sports. However doping will probably be less of a feature amongst lower level athletes, for whom the rewards are less.
You say everybody at the top is doping - regardless Kenyan or non Kenyan. You also say Kenyans dope more than non Kenyans. So, not every non Kenyan is doping.
It's essential to know, what is the top for you?
I'm asking for your view of the subject.
I didn't say that. I am not interested in discussing this further with you. You haven't a clue.
rekrunner, a Mark Twain quote comes to mind when trying to deal with Armstronglivs: "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.".
You're best off just ignoring him.
It's very apt -- unfortunately it is a lesson I was aware of and that I failed to learn already 15 years ago, and Armstronglivs is just one of a long chain of believers who want to drag me down to their level.
Whatever anyone wants to believe about my arguments, or theirs, one of my goals is also to try to introduce contemporaneous facts into the discussion that seem to contradict many of the myths.
You say everybody at the top is doping - regardless Kenyan or non Kenyan. You also say Kenyans dope more than non Kenyans. So, not every non Kenyan is doping.
It's essential to know, what is the top for you?
I'm asking for your view of the subject.
I didn't say that. I am not interested in discussing this further with you. You haven't a clue.