I've been "called" on nothing. You haven't got an argument worth recognising as such.
I would like you to answer the question that I asked you yesterday, if you don’t mind. I’m not trolling you but am genuinely interested in your thoughts.
What top level T&F athletes or cyclists do you feel are clean?
I am not really interested in going into that question. There may be some top level athletes who will be clean but in a predominantly dirty sport - as athletics is - like bodybuilding, weightlifting and cycling - the chances are they aren't. I couldn't be sure who is clean now at the top of any sport. I have my own views as to what is possibly a clean level of performance in athletics but it is nowhere near the current world records and many of the best times being recorded today. It will have been so for several decades now. But that is another subject.
You silly man...no one is disputing there is doping. The dispute is you using totally irrelevant evidence that someone is doping. You said it, you've been called on it and now you've changed the narrative to testing. And even those numbers are not fact, they're opinion that may include bias by competitors, if not outright disinformation.
I've been "called" on nothing. You haven't got an argument worth recognising as such.
You've produced nothing of fact or even trend that backs up your posts. It's just 'oh I can tell just by looking'. That's not proof of doping and no one has ever been busted just by progression or physique. And several on here have testimonials of women they know who are built through either weight training or genetics and not drugs. And your only response to that is 'they're doping because they haven't told you they're clean'.
I repeat my previous analogy which is very comparable;
'Armstronglivs is a domestic terrorist because he hasn't said he isn't'
It's like asking 'when did you stop beating your wife?'
I've been "called" on nothing. You haven't got an argument worth recognising as such.
You've produced nothing of fact or even trend that backs up your posts. It's just 'oh I can tell just by looking'. That's not proof of doping and no one has ever been busted just by progression or physique. And several on here have testimonials of women they know who are built through either weight training or genetics and not drugs. And your only response to that is 'they're doping because they haven't told you they're clean'.
I repeat my previous analogy which is very comparable;
'Armstronglivs is a domestic terrorist because he hasn't said he isn't'
It's like asking 'when did you stop beating your wife?'
I'm not going to bother debating this further with you. You have nothing I care to respond to.
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You've produced nothing of fact or even trend that backs up your posts. It's just 'oh I can tell just by looking'. That's not proof of doping and no one has ever been busted just by progression or physique. And several on here have testimonials of women they know who are built through either weight training or genetics and not drugs. And your only response to that is 'they're doping because they haven't told you they're clean'.
I repeat my previous analogy which is very comparable;
'Armstronglivs is a domestic terrorist because he hasn't said he isn't'
It's like asking 'when did you stop beating your wife?'
I'm not going to bother debating this further with you. You have nothing I care to respond to.
You confirm for me that it is almost always the dumbest on the threads who choose to challenge what I have said.
For sure. "confirming something" for you is completely different to confirming something for others.
Armstrong: "I detect a doper when I see one". Complete nonsense.
And he didn't even realice, that detecting all the dopers implies detecting clean athletes. Armdumb at his best.
I didn't claim to be able to detect all dopers, you moron, only those that I consider are more obviously doping. If doping is pervasive in a sport I also don't claim to be able to identify those who must be clean. It would be like going to a bodybuilding or weightlifting competition - or watching the Tour de France - and saying I know which competitors must be clean. I wouldn't put money on any of them.
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I am not really interested in going into that question. There may be some top level athletes who will be clean but in a predominantly dirty sport - as athletics is - like bodybuilding, weightlifting and cycling - the chances are they aren't. I couldn't be sure who is clean now at the top of any sport. I have my own views as to what is possibly a clean level of performance in athletics but it is nowhere near the current world records and many of the best times being recorded today. It will have been so for several decades now. But that is another subject.
Thank you for answering.
I asked because of an interview with Greg LeMond a few months ago. It was a rather long interview but in the interview, LeMond offered a plausible explanation as to why he feels that the top cyclists today are clean. It’s on YouTube and I am going to post a link to the interview and the time stamp where he gives his explanation.
I respect LeMond a great deal and believe that he is one of the greatest clean cyclists of all time. The whole interview was interesting. He gives a lot of food for thought for all of the doubters of the new generation of talent.
I am not really interested in going into that question. There may be some top level athletes who will be clean but in a predominantly dirty sport - as athletics is - like bodybuilding, weightlifting and cycling - the chances are they aren't. I couldn't be sure who is clean now at the top of any sport. I have my own views as to what is possibly a clean level of performance in athletics but it is nowhere near the current world records and many of the best times being recorded today. It will have been so for several decades now. But that is another subject.
Thank you for answering.
I asked because of an interview with Greg LeMond a few months ago. It was a rather long interview but in the interview, LeMond offered a plausible explanation as to why he feels that the top cyclists today are clean. It’s on YouTube and I am going to post a link to the interview and the time stamp where he gives his explanation.
I respect LeMond a great deal and believe that he is one of the greatest clean cyclists of all time. The whole interview was interesting. He gives a lot of food for thought for all of the doubters of the new generation of talent.
He probably thinks LeMond is dirty too, simply because he thinks everyone is.
I have my own views as to what is possibly a clean level of performance in athletics but it is nowhere near the current world records and many of the best times being recorded today.
800m men, current WR: 1:40.91
42+ years ago, Coe: 1:41.73 on inferior track with inferior shoes in a non perfectly paced race. According to you he can't have been clean, correct?
61+ years ago, Snell 1:44.3 on a grass (!) track. Clean?
55 years ago, Beamon jumped farther than any current athlete (even considering the altitude).
Jonathan Edwards was doped. Also Rojas? Mihambo 7.30 a few years ago. Doper?
I am not really interested in going into that question. There may be some top level athletes who will be clean but in a predominantly dirty sport - as athletics is - like bodybuilding, weightlifting and cycling - the chances are they aren't. I couldn't be sure who is clean now at the top of any sport. I have my own views as to what is possibly a clean level of performance in athletics but it is nowhere near the current world records and many of the best times being recorded today. It will have been so for several decades now. But that is another subject.
Thank you for answering.
I asked because of an interview with Greg LeMond a few months ago. It was a rather long interview but in the interview, LeMond offered a plausible explanation as to why he feels that the top cyclists today are clean. It’s on YouTube and I am going to post a link to the interview and the time stamp where he gives his explanation.
I respect LeMond a great deal and believe that he is one of the greatest clean cyclists of all time. The whole interview was interesting. He gives a lot of food for thought for all of the doubters of the new generation of talent.
LeMond is a cyclist in a known dirty sport. Would he be expected to concede that the sport still dopes as much as it always has?
I asked because of an interview with Greg LeMond a few months ago. It was a rather long interview but in the interview, LeMond offered a plausible explanation as to why he feels that the top cyclists today are clean. It’s on YouTube and I am going to post a link to the interview and the time stamp where he gives his explanation.
I respect LeMond a great deal and believe that he is one of the greatest clean cyclists of all time. The whole interview was interesting. He gives a lot of food for thought for all of the doubters of the new generation of talent.
He probably thinks LeMond is dirty too, simply because he thinks everyone is.
I don't say that but you aren't bright enough to follow an argument.
I have my own views as to what is possibly a clean level of performance in athletics but it is nowhere near the current world records and many of the best times being recorded today.
800m men, current WR: 1:40.91
42+ years ago, Coe: 1:41.73 on inferior track with inferior shoes in a non perfectly paced race. According to you he can't have been clean, correct?
61+ years ago, Snell 1:44.3 on a grass (!) track. Clean?
55 years ago, Beamon jumped farther than any current athlete (even considering the altitude).
Jonathan Edwards was doped. Also Rojas? Mihambo 7.30 a few years ago. Doper?
So you don't understand that doping has developed in the sport over time. You forgot to ask me about Pheidippides.
42+ years ago, Coe: 1:41.73 on inferior track with inferior shoes in a non perfectly paced race. According to you he can't have been clean, correct?
61+ years ago, Snell 1:44.3 on a grass (!) track. Clean?
55 years ago, Beamon jumped farther than any current athlete (even considering the altitude).
Jonathan Edwards was doped. Also Rojas? Mihambo 7.30 a few years ago. Doper?
So you don't understand that doping has developed in the sport over time. You forgot to ask me about Pheidippides.
According to Armlaugh, no clean athlete is just close to some current WR. Asking him concretely about Coe, who 42 years ago has achieved an arguably better mark (tracks and shoes) than the current WR he avoids an answer - see his laughable reply.
42 years ago, Sebastian Coe has achieved a mark at least (!) as good as the current WR. You, Armstrong, have said that no clean athlete just can come close to any current WR.
What's your conclusion about Coe, Armstrong? Or about your statement?
There may be some top level athletes who will be clean but in a predominantly dirty sport - as athletics is - like bodybuilding, weightlifting and cycling - the chances are they aren't.
You state several sports that you say are "predominantly dirty." What sports do you think are predominantly clean?
I asked because of an interview with Greg LeMond a few months ago. It was a rather long interview but in the interview, LeMond offered a plausible explanation as to why he feels that the top cyclists today are clean. It’s on YouTube and I am going to post a link to the interview and the time stamp where he gives his explanation.
I respect LeMond a great deal and believe that he is one of the greatest clean cyclists of all time. The whole interview was interesting. He gives a lot of food for thought for all of the doubters of the new generation of talent.
LeMond is a cyclist in a known dirty sport. Would he be expected to concede that the sport still dopes as much as it always has?
LeMond raced during a time in which EPO was not a thing. He knows enough about wattage outputs, physiology and all of that, to be able to proffer an educated opinion on the matter. He is not afraid to call cyclists out and to say it as he sees it. He has nothing to gain by sugar coating the subject.
I am going to look for that interview I mentioned and post the link.
LeMond is a cyclist in a known dirty sport. Would he be expected to concede that the sport still dopes as much as it always has?
LeMond raced during a time in which EPO was not a thing. He knows enough about wattage outputs, physiology and all of that, to be able to proffer an educated opinion on the matter. He is not afraid to call cyclists out and to say it as he sees it. He has nothing to gain by sugar coating the subject.
I am going to look for that interview I mentioned and post the link.
Starting at about 23:00 to 28:00. At 28:00 LeMond starts into a discussion about "mechanical doping," aka, bike motors.
Mechanical doping was a real problem at one point. There is one well known instance in which Fabian Cancellara easily sprinted away from Tom Boonen, one of the strongest finishing sprinters of his time. It appeared to be obvious mechanical doping.
I doubt that you'll watch the video or listen to any arguments about doping, Armstronglivs, because I've read enough of your thoughts to know that you firmly have your mind made up on the subject.
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There may be some top level athletes who will be clean but in a predominantly dirty sport - as athletics is - like bodybuilding, weightlifting and cycling - the chances are they aren't.
You state several sports that you say are "predominantly dirty." What sports do you think are predominantly clean?
The sports I referred to have been described by WADA as being at a high risk of doping. But other sports, like NFL, boxing, soccer and rugby are also high on the doping list. Other sports - like darts and curling - may have less of a doping problem but it is everywhere. So "predominantly clean" - whatever those sports are and I wouldn't know or care much - still means doping is present.
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