Official 2021 NCAA XC Regional Championships discussion thread. Who is going to qualify? Who is going to go home devastated?

Bower Man wrote:

rocky mtns wrote:

Why would they need to "sacrifice" Pac-12s to run well today? Is there any reason they can't try to run well at both?

Yes.

Early season issues now resolved.

Trained through Pac-12s to get back into top racing condition.

At Pac-12s, ladies went out hard then all faded at the end to finish 5th.

Today, a more conservative approach worked very well, especially given their collective increased level of fitness.

We know JJ Clark can recruit, especially mid-d women.

This race certainly substantiates his abilities to coach longer distances.

I am still going to have to be convinced. They won 4 in top 10 and 5th in top 20 but who did they beat? WA, OR, Port were 16, 17, 18 at Nuttycombe. The highest finisher of these teams was Zarbo at 28th at Nuttycombe.

old owl. wrote:

Bower Man wrote:

Yes.

Early season issues now resolved.

Trained through Pac-12s to get back into top racing condition.

At Pac-12s, ladies went out hard then all faded at the end to finish 5th.

Today, a more conservative approach worked very well, especially given their collective increased level of fitness.

We know JJ Clark can recruit, especially mid-d women.

This race certainly substantiates his abilities to coach longer distances.

You don't gain fitness in two weeks, takes 19-21 days to realize benefits from training. Based on your post, they just ran smarter today, they ran dumb at Pac-12's. At least they didn't make the same mistake twice. This was not the plan all along, the just learned from their mistake.

Yeah...so the training they did in the 2 weeks leading up to Pac-12's probably didn't help them at that race, but helped them today...see how that works?

1. BYU 1, 3, 8, 9, 21, (49), (75) 42

2. Northern Arizona 2, 6, 10, 13, 26, (30), (58) 57

3. Colorado 5, 15, 16, 23, 24, (28), (32) 83

4. Air Force 18, 19, 22, 34, 37, (67), (88) 130

5. Southern Utah 7, 25, 33, 43, 44, (50), (80) 152

6. Weber State 4, 20, 31, 47, 53, (55), (56) 155

7. Montana State 11, 14, 17, 66, 69, (90), (91) 177

8. Utah State 27, 29, 35, 41, 45, (48), (68) 177

9. Colorado St. 36, 39, 40, 42, 59, (74), (83) 216

10. Utah Valley 38, 51, 60, 70, 82, (89), (95) 301

1. 32 Conner Mantz JR 1. BYU 29:39.6 1

2. 214 Nico Young FR 1. Northern Arizona 29:40.8 2

3. 24 Casey Clinger SO 2. BYU 29:42.9 3

4. 328 Christian Allen JR 1. Weber State 29:43.4 4

5. 51 Eduardo Herrera SR 1. Colorado 29:46.5 5

6. 203 Abdihamid Nur SO 2. Northern Arizona 29:49.3 6

7. 226 Christian Ricketts SR 1. Southern Utah 29:54.5 7

8. 26 Brandon Garnica JR 3. BYU 29:58.5 8

9. 41 Aidan Troutner FR 4. BYU 30:04.2 9

10. 188 Drew Bosley SO 3. Northern

Weber State has live videos of both the men's and women's races posted their Instagram. Good coverage of the start and finish and a few points in between.

Isaac wood has:

https://twitter.com/isaacegbertwood/status/1459252136764534784

Brodey Hasty #6 for NAU, not a good sign

Wow, good day for Aiden Troutner to show up.

FastTuohy wrote:

I am still going to have to be convinced. They won 4 in top 10 and 5th in top 20 but who did they beat? WA, OR, Port were 16, 17, 18 at Nuttycombe. The highest finisher of these teams was Zarbo at 28th at Nuttycombe.

The density of the finishers also amazes me, and tells me maybe it wasn't the fastest race. 11 seconds 1-10, 26 seconds 1-20.

Bower Man wrote:

rocky mtns wrote:

Why would they need to "sacrifice" Pac-12s to run well today? Is there any reason they can't try to run well at both?

Yes.

Early season issues now resolved.

Trained through Pac-12s to get back into top racing condition.

At Pac-12s, ladies went out hard then all faded at the end to finish 5th.

Today, a more conservative approach worked very well, especially given their collective increased level of fitness.

We know JJ Clark can recruit, especially mid-d women.

This race certainly substantiates his abilities to coach longer distances.

In case my post is misinterpreted, I'm not trying to argue, just curious as much as anything. So, in essence, they didn't really sacrifice Pac-12s, but ran poorly compared to today?

Bonkers wrote:

old owl. wrote:

You don't gain fitness in two weeks, takes 19-21 days to realize benefits from training. Based on your post, they just ran smarter today, they ran dumb at Pac-12's. At least they didn't make the same mistake twice. This was not the plan all along, the just learned from their mistake.

Yeah...so the training they did in the 2 weeks leading up to Pac-12's probably didn't help them at that race, but helped them today...see how that works?

Ok bud, look at the racing strategy in each race, notice the difference. Any good HS kid knows to run even paced or negative split is the most effective way to race. Guess the Stanford crew learned a lesson from Pac-12's. How much of a performance incentive do you think Stanford gives for a conference championship? Do you think training through one of the most important races of the season is a good plan, especially at the collegiate level where you only run 4-5 races anyways.

1. 32 Conner Mantz JR BYU 29:39.6

2. 214 Nico Young FR Northern Arizona 29:40.8

3. 24 Casey Clinger SO BYU 29:42.9

4. 328 Christian Allen JR Weber State 29:43.4

5. 51 Eduardo Herrera SR Colorado 29:46.5

6. 203 Abdihamid Nur SO Northern Arizona 29:49.3

7. 226 Christian Ricketts SR Southern Utah 29:54.5

8. 26 Brandon Garnica JR BYU 29:58.5

9. 41 Aidan Troutner FR BYU 30:04.2

10. 188 Drew Bosley SO Northern Arizona 30:07.0

11. 121 Duncan Hamilton JR Montana State 30:08.0

12. 167 Abdirizak Ibrahim SO New Mexico 30:10.9

13. 208 Ryan Raff JR Northern Arizona 30:13.3

14. 129 Matthew Richtman SO Montana State 30:14.5

15. 56 Stephen Jones SR Colorado 30:14.6

16. 65 Austin Vancil SO Colorado 30:15.1

17. 127 Ben Perrin FR Montana State 30:15.4

18. 8 Ryan Johnson JR Air Force 30:15.8

19. 12 Scott Maison SR Air Force 30:17.4

20. 332 Taylor Dillon JR Weber State 30:17.6

21. 40 Davin Thompson FR BYU 30:18.8

22. 7 Ryan Ioanidis SR Air Force 30:21.5

23. 54 Alec Hornecker SR Colorado 30:24.1

24. 50 Brendan Fraser JR Colorado 30:24.8

25. 222 Nate Osterstock SR Southern Utah 30:25.3

26. 207 Theo Quax SO Northern Arizona 30:29.6

27. 270 Darren Harman SR Utah State 30:31.2

28. 63 Charlie Sweeney JR Colorado 30:31.4

29. 273 Chase Leach FR Utah State 30:32.7

30. 195 Brodey Hasty SO Northern Arizona 30:33.7

31. 337 Dallin Leatham SR Weber State 30:34.5

32. 57 Andrew Kent SR Colorado 30:34.8

33. 225 Kevin Ramos SO Southern Utah 30:35.6

34. 4 Sam Gilman JR Air Force 30:39.0

35. 268 Caleb Garnica SR Utah State 30:44.7

36. 68 Mason Brown SO Colorado St. 30:53.4

37. 1 Luke Combs SO Air Force 30:56.1

38. 298 Geofrey Kemboi JR Utah Valley 30:57.6

39. 79 Tanner Norman SO Colorado St. 31:00.2

40. 69 Jacob Brueckman SR Colorado St. 31:00.8

41. 266 Mark Crandall SR Utah State 31:04.4

42. 73 Brock Dykema SO Colorado St. 31:08.1

43. 221 Isaiah Labra SO Southern Utah 31:11.6

44. 218 Jacob Francis SR Southern Utah 31:12.1

45. 260 Bridger Altice JR Utah State 31:12.2

46. 358 Oisin O Gailin SR Wyoming 31:19.0

47. 345 Bronson Winter SO Weber State 31:20.3

48. 285 Connor Weaver SR Utah State 31:21.0

49. 37 Joey Nokes FR BYU 31:24.7

50. 217 Travis Feeny SO Southern Utah 31:25.3

51. 306 Britain Reynolds JR Utah Valley 31:30.4

52. 97 Zachary Montoya SR Idaho State 31:32.9

53. 330 Logan Anderson FR Weber State 31:33.2

54. 320 Rodgers Korir JR UTEP 31:33.2

55. 341 Peter Visser FR Weber State 31:33.3

56. 340 Jacob Stone JR Weber State 31:39.4

57. 364 Albert Steiner SO Wyoming 31:39.8

58. 206 Santiago Prosser FR Northern Arizona 31:39.9

59. 67 Dawson Besst SO Colorado St. 31:40.3

60. 300 Max Mahon FR Utah Valley 31:44.7

61. 347 Seth Bruxvoort FR Wyoming 31:47.6

62. 313 Gabriel Armijo JR UTEP 31:48.0

63. 149 Andrew Ribeiro JR Nevada 31:48.6

64. 151 Daniel Sayo SO Nevada 31:52.6

65. 357 Mason Norman FR Wyoming 31:55.1

66. 130 Owen Smith FR Montana State 31:56.6

67. 13 Sean Maison SO Air Force 31:57.9

68. 284 Camren Todd SO Utah State 31:59.5

69. 132 Levi Taylor FR Montana State 32:01.3

70. 292 Habtamu Cheney JR Utah Valley 32:01.6

71. 154 Adam Sjolund JR Nevada 32:02.6

72. 113 Joel Mendez JR Montana 32:05.6

73. 176 Awet Yohannes JR New Mexico 32:09.2

74. 66 Cal Banta FR Colorado St. 32:09.6

75. 29 Zac Jacklin JR BYU 32:09.6

76. 181 Anekin Hetman SO New Mexico St. 32:12.5

77. 323 Juan Olmos FR UTEP 32:14.8

78. 142 Jared Marchegger JR Nevada 32:17.1

79. 140 Carson Leavitt JR Nevada 32:17.7

80. 355 Gus McIntyre FR Wyoming 32:19.9

81. 229 Max Spence SR Southern Utah 32:23.2

82. 319 Maxwell Kipkosgei FR UTEP 32:24.7

83. 304 Josh Peters SO Utah Valley 32:25.4

84. 72 Thomas Chaston SO Colorado St. 32:26.3

85. 166 Iolo Hughes SR New Mexico 32:28.1

86. 327 Kenneth Talavera SO UTEP 32:34.1

87. 366 Jerald Taylor SR Wyoming 32:40.2

88. 91 D'Artangnan Kilgore SR Idaho State 32:41.3

89. 9 AJ Kedge SR Air Force 32:48.8

90. 295 Austin Hone SO Utah Valley 32:51.8

91. 118 Riley Collins JR Montana State 32:52.2

92. 134 Cooper West JR Montana State 33:05.2

93. 111 Jordan Hansen FR Montana 33:05.6

94. 144 Alexander Mendoza JR Nevada 33:06.1

95. 138 Brian Kipchumba JR Nevada 33:08.6

96. 308 Kale Sharp JR Utah Valley 33:11.3

97. 170 Matthew Larkin FR New Mexico 33:19.4

98. 117 Ben Vanderbosch SR Montana 33:19.8

99. 365 Trevor Stephen FR Wyoming 33:19.8

100. 326 Michael Sims JR UTEP 33:25.4

101. 186 Micah Too SO New Mexico St. 33:28.9

102. 180 Matt Goddard JR New Mexico St. 33:33.6

103. 87 Eric Christen JR Idaho State 33:37.0

104. 244 Ret Taylor SO Texas Tech 33:42.9

105. 246 Thomas Velvin FR Texas Tech 33:43.1

106. 161 Reece Donihi JR New Mexico 33:44.0

107. 89 Sam Jones FR Idaho State 33:45.1

108. 107 August Eckmann SR Montana 33:56.2

109. 245 Jaden Tumale FR Texas Tech 34:03.2

110. 115 Maxwell Scott JR Montana 34:14.5

111. 184 Cole Shugart SR New Mexico St. 34:16.2

112. 237 Walker Hendricks SO Texas Tech 34:23.7

113. 101 Brandon Walker FR Idaho State 34:32.0

114. 114 Thomas Mordy FR Montana 34:32.2

115. 243 Edward (EJ) Rush FR Texas Tech 34:51.7

116. 233 Samuel Ashley FR Texas Tech 34:57.0

117. 235 Luke Estes JR Texas Tech 35:38.5

118. 94 Dylan Mannion SO Idaho State 35:51.5

Apparently he was supposed to intentionally drop out at that point no clue why

Looks like Ryan Raff Ran well for NAU. George Kusche didn't run. If he is healthy, that might be their 5th man for nationals.

joed|rt wrote:

As with most years, the mountain region is loaded. The question from there will be which deserving team will go home devastated. Weber could throw a monkey wrench into things. There are always surprises in that region.

Weber and Montana State surprise. Utah State, Montana State, Colorado State likely stay home.

What happened to Kusce? Are they resting him? I always wonder how much effort these top teams put into these regionals, considering NCAAs is in one week.

Malemute wrote:

Isaac wood has:

https://twitter.com/isaacegbertwood/status/1459252136764534784

Dang BYU always sandbags this race. In fact I don't think they've ever won it(under Eyestone at least). I wonder what made them change course today. Encouraging that Both Troutner and Garnica showed up. They've been very inconsistent. Maybe they're peaking at the right time.

FastTuohy wrote:

FastTuohy wrote:

I am still going to have to be convinced. They won 4 in top 10 and 5th in top 20 but who did they beat? WA, OR, Port were 16, 17, 18 at Nuttycombe. The highest finisher of these teams was Zarbo at 28th at Nuttycombe.

The density of the finishers also amazes me, and tells me maybe it wasn't the fastest race. 11 seconds 1-10, 26 seconds 1-20.

Yes, women's Pac-12s is a bit down this year.

Women's podium teams will by BYU, Colorado, New Mexico, NC State --- in some order.

If Stanford women, or any West Regional team , manages to crack the top-10, that would be an accomplishment.