This is the same manager who believes convicted dopers should be given not just a second chance, but a third chance, and a fourth chance...
As another posted pointed out, Katir is the reincarnation of Gebrselassie... eerily similar form and hopefully similar range one day. I'm a big fan of Katir. He's clean until proven otherwise.
no contest wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Katir improved 8 seconds over the 1500m inside a year, from 3.36 to 3.28. That would be equivalent to a 3.32 runner dropping to 3.24. Of course he's doping.
No, from 3.36 to 3.28 is not at all equivalent to from 3.32 to 3.24. Obviously. 3.26 to 3.18 also is harder, or don't you think, Armstronisdead?
And 8 second drop in a year is ridiculous for any athlete near that level - the point that escapes you - eh, "no comprendez"? As it is implausible that a 3.32 athlete could carve off 8 seconds it is just as implausible that a 3.36 athlete could do it - unless they are doped to the gills. Yet the somnambulists on this board - like yourself - cannot see staring in front of them the only plausible explanation for a runner to rocket from mediocrity to becoming the second best in the world in a virtual blink.
CinqueMinute wrote:
As another posted pointed out, Katir is the reincarnation of Gebrselassie... eerily similar form and hopefully similar range one day. I'm a big fan of Katir. He's clean until proven otherwise.
Just like Ben Johnson was, Flojo, Marion, Lance and Gatlin - and the list who were never caught.
“But that that was unknown must be qualified,” says González Amo, who values how the children of immigrants who succeed have double merit because it is much more difficult to get ahead with all the obstacles they have to overcome, and they come out stronger. “Two years ago, when I was a second-year U-23, I beat all the best Spaniards at rallies, but since I still didn’t have Spanish nationality [la obtuvo a los 21, el 31 de diciembre de 2019] He was not in our rankings and people did not notice him ”.
Katir, explains González Amo, runs easily and moves fluently, passes forward without twitching, at very high rates, and his hair flies behind him, with his head thrown back. “And, no, I am not going to cut my hair, although in Mula temperatures above 42 degrees are expected these days, before roasting heat than cutting my hair”, defends Katir one of his distinctive signs, his black hair to the mid back, his sense of personality. “And lest if I cut it, it happens to me like Samson …”.
https://then24.com/2021/07/10/mohamed-katir-i-came-out-of-nowhere/
... and they come out stronger!
It's not your bourrito girl who done the US college.
I mean even for those who think he is doped to the gills, which we all agree is understandable, these articles are good reads. There is more joy to him and personality than any of the dopers of the past in the Moroccan system, Jama Aden proteges, Rachid Ramzi et al.
Armstronglivs wrote:
no contest wrote:
No, from 3.36 to 3.28 is not at all equivalent to from 3.32 to 3.24. Obviously. 3.26 to 3.18 also is harder, or don't you think, Armstronisdead?
And 8 second drop in a year is ridiculous for any athlete near that level - the point that escapes you - eh, "no comprendez"? As it is implausible that a 3.32 athlete could carve off 8 seconds it is just as implausible that a 3.36 athlete could do it - unless they are doped to the gills. Yet the somnambulists on this board - like yourself - cannot see staring in front of them the only plausible explanation for a runner to rocket from mediocrity to becoming the second best in the world in a virtual blink.
No, starting from 3:36 is not the same as starting from 3:32. I know you will not agree also it's obvious.
But Katir's improvement still is extreme.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
I mean even for those who think he is doped to the gills, which we all agree is understandable, these articles are good reads. There is more joy to him and personality than any of the dopers of the past in the Moroccan system, Jama Aden proteges, Rachid Ramzi et al.
Rashid Ramzi, Mo Moughit Hamza Deriouch, have no links with the Moroccan system.
They were Moroccan born caught while running of other countries.
I dont think the Moroccan Federation had ever any relation with the coach Jama Eden.
no contest wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
And 8 second drop in a year is ridiculous for any athlete near that level - the point that escapes you - eh, "no comprendez"? As it is implausible that a 3.32 athlete could carve off 8 seconds it is just as implausible that a 3.36 athlete could do it - unless they are doped to the gills. Yet the somnambulists on this board - like yourself - cannot see staring in front of them the only plausible explanation for a runner to rocket from mediocrity to becoming the second best in the world in a virtual blink.
No, starting from 3:36 is not the same as starting from 3:32. I know you will not agree also it's obvious.
But Katir's improvement still is extreme.
It's not the same starting point but the same relative improvement. Just for fun - why don't we try 3.34 in a year to 3.26? Who would buy that who is currently ok with 3.36 to 3.28?
Why you dont compare the physical aspect of runners, the way they run, their abilities to recover? who are the runners that have more natural predisposition?
Armstronglivs wrote:
no contest wrote:
No, starting from 3:36 is not the same as starting from 3:32. I know you will not agree also it's obvious.
But Katir's improvement still is extreme.
It's not the same starting point but the same relative improvement. Just for fun - why don't we try 3.34 in a year to 3.26? Who would buy that who is currently ok with 3.36 to 3.28?
So from 3:26 to 3:18 is definitely also the same relative improvement for you. Not just boundless arragonce, also very limited rational thinking skills.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
I mean even for those who think he is doped to the gills, which we all agree is understandable, these articles are good reads. There is more joy to him and personality than any of the dopers of the past in the Moroccan system, Jama Aden proteges, Rachid Ramzi et al.
Rachid Ramzi is no more relevant to Katir than is Matt Centrowitz.
It's a mistake to think that way.
These are individual athletes in different cultural and national contexts, with individual life histories, and of different generations.
When something is too good to be true it often is. Look at Pogacar in the TdF. It's worthwhile to compare with Armstrong only because his dominance recalls that of Armstrong and because so many were so wrong about Armstrong, and others could be fooled again.
About the only reasonable comparison to Ramzi would be along the same lines. But why fixate on Ramsey and not Houlihan? Or many others?
kumquat wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
I mean even for those who think he is doped to the gills, which we all agree is understandable, these articles are good reads. There is more joy to him and personality than any of the dopers of the past in the Moroccan system, Jama Aden proteges, Rachid Ramzi et al.
Rachid Ramzi is no more relevant to Katir than is Matt Centrowitz.
It's a mistake to think that way.
These are individual athletes in different cultural and national contexts, with individual life histories, and of different generations.
When something is too good to be true it often is. Look at Pogacar in the TdF. It's worthwhile to compare with Armstrong only because his dominance recalls that of Armstrong and because so many were so wrong about Armstrong, and others could be fooled again.
About the only reasonable comparison to Ramzi would be along the same lines. But why fixate on Ramsey and not Houlihan? Or many others?
So woke! Such an imbecile too.
Why do you think the 'Passant' Moroccan character is singing his praises so much? He's 100% Spanish?? Even if that were true, Spain has an almost worst doping history than Morocco, and some of things being reported here about the ABP possibly not even being legal makes you want to despair of the sport.
If you're actually saying his background, whether Spanish or Moroccan, makes no difference to his likelihood of doping, again you're an imbecile (although I realize you're more likely just a paid doping troll from his management or such).
Number 35 wrote:
If you're actually saying his background, whether Spanish or Moroccan, makes no difference to his likelihood of doping, again you're an imbecile (although I realize you're more likely just a paid doping troll from his management or such).
Coevett, we know you are just jealous because you are not getting paid for your daily doping apologist posts.
no contest wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
It's not the same starting point but the same relative improvement. Just for fun - why don't we try 3.34 in a year to 3.26? Who would buy that who is currently ok with 3.36 to 3.28?
So from 3:26 to 3:18 is definitely also the same relative improvement for you. Not just boundless arragonce, also very limited rational thinking skills.
You are trying to have a reasonable debate with a narcissistic psychopath.
Don't waste your time.
Number 35 wrote:
kumquat wrote:
Rachid Ramzi is no more relevant to Katir than is Matt Centrowitz.
It's a mistake to think that way.
These are individual athletes in different cultural and national contexts, with individual life histories, and of different generations.
When something is too good to be true it often is. Look at Pogacar in the TdF. It's worthwhile to compare with Armstrong only because his dominance recalls that of Armstrong and because so many were so wrong about Armstrong, and others could be fooled again.
About the only reasonable comparison to Ramzi would be along the same lines. But why fixate on Ramsey and not Houlihan? Or many others?
So woke! Such an imbecile too.
Why do you think the 'Passant' Moroccan character is singing his praises so much? He's 100% Spanish?? Even if that were true, Spain has an almost worst doping history than Morocco, and some of things being reported here about the ABP possibly not even being legal makes you want to despair of the sport.
If you're actually saying his background, whether Spanish or Moroccan, makes no difference to his likelihood of doping, again you're an imbecile (although I realize you're more likely just a paid doping troll from his management or such).
I'm none of the above.
For me the country most suspicious for doping is the USA which has by far the best history of doping. More doped golds than anyone. Some even got caught.
I'm saying for these questions he should be considered Spanish, and it's just noise all the racist insinuation about Morocco.
The ABP thing is clearly not well understood by Americans who are not used to a legal system that has protections and guarantees for the accused.
I haven't opined whether he is doping or not. I don't know and don't find the evidence so convincing as do some.
I'm pretty sure that Coevett is behind all LRC hatred to Moroccan runners. He worked hard for years to paint all sort black or gray pictures about Moroccan. And his trojan horse is Rashid Ramzi.
Now that I remember, the first time I started to post in these forums was the days of finals 1500m of Doha World Championship 2019.
There was one that was spreading poisons with a name like "Moroccan Magics", "Moroccan Diets" ... "Moroccan Atlas".
This is his style to do planed assaults.
Mohamed Katir receives Mula's flag before going to Tokyo
The mayor of Mula and the Councilor for Sports visit the athlete from Mule before leaving for the Japanese capital to participate in the Olympic Games
The mayor of Mula, Juan Jesús Moreno, together with the Councilor for Sports, Vicente López, have traveled during the day this Friday to the neighboring town of Torrevieja to show all their support and the town of Mula to the young athlete from Mule Mohamed Katir before from his departure to Tokyo to participate in the Olympic Games.
Katir, who was accompanied by his coach Gabi Lorente, is concentrated in this Alicante town from where he will leave for Tokyo on July 23 to compete in the 5000 meters test representing Spain.
Both Moreno and López have shown all the affection of the people of Mula to this great athlete who in a month has been able to break three records in 1500, 3000 and 5000 meters, a feat that has placed the young man at the top of athletics National and international.
The Muleña delegation has also given him a flag from Mula and another from Murcia to accompany him on his trip, wishing him the best of luck while encouraging him to really enjoy that moment for which Katir has been working for years.
The athlete has greatly appreciated this visit and the support of his people of which he is very proud and which he always keeps in mind.
