She's trying out for the German TV show "My 106 Pound Life" instead of running in Tokyo.
She's trying out for the German TV show "My 106 Pound Life" instead of running in Tokyo.
oldoldrunner wrote:
Heady guy wrote:
Are you all too young to remember Holman or Webb or Favor? All 3 could run a world leading time one week and then get 8th in a high stress race a week later.
Well you just may correct. After reading this article.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/22/donavan-braziers-olympic-dream-ends-with-one-s-ty-race/
This. Not sure why so many people are rushing to give him other excuses. He said it himself - just ran a $hit race. Dude just bombed, it’s so clear and you see the moment he really throws the towel in. He didn’t have it, period. It’s not hard to figure out when you consider the amount of pressure he has on him vs the shape he is in right now. He’s not in the shape he wanted to be in and his head is not in the game - no wonder he’s not doing the 1500. Get behind Murphy and Jewett, two hungry lions who threw down on everyone with no mercy.
aeiouy wrote:
kmaclam wrote:
Not understanding why the FACT he was injured seems so far fetched to 98% of the posters on here? UFOs, yep, election was stolen, yep, Brazier had an injury that contributed, nah.
Not understanding why you are saying he was injured when he never said that himself.
The butthurt fan boys can’t the loss and need to hypothesize. I like DB too but clearly he just bombed from not being in great shape and head not being in the game - and that’s all there is to it.
Heady guy wrote:
I rewatched it a few times. He lost it when Murphy pulled next to him. With all of these guys being young and Miller and others right behind, Brazier will never be handed anything. This will really mess with his head.
Exactly. When Murphy pulled up he knew he wasn’t going to be able to dig down deep enough for a response. Now of course there is a giant difference between running for third and doing what he did. Obviously, for him nothing mattered anymore in that last 200 otherwise he would have used up his remaining gas.
2:40 and 3:20
Wow! LRers are a tough bunch! Especially those who never broke 2 min in their lives, writing off DB as a psyched-out wimp. The guy’s a champion, for heaven’s sake, give him some credit!
Now, isn’t it possible that his injury was the major factor in his “no plan” approach? He worried and didn’t know how the “broken foot” (as it has been referred to here) was going to affect his race. Worried that he could not get up to his 23-24 second 200 meter speed, and confused about how to compensate for that.
To admit he was running injured would have implicated his coach (who should be implicated, in my opinion and Salvitore Stichmo’s) and he was too much of a gentleman to do that.
I’ve had two stress fractures and I can’t imagine racing or even training with them. Six weeks running in the pool along with bike and other exercises. Lord knows how long it’s going to take DB to get fully healthy now, but best of luck to him!
So who's PJ got in the Olympics???
I think Engles posted about the injury on his Instagram. They are teammates so that would be a reliable source.
Spainflyer wrote:
Wow! LRers are a tough bunch! Especially those who never broke 2 min in their lives, writing off DB as a psyched-out wimp.
wait if i split 1:58 in a 4x800 once am i allowed to talk
JBaller33 wrote:
I think that Brazier needs to take a page out of Clayton Murphy's book and go back to his college coaches in Francique and Henry (Hoppel has also never left his college coach). He has to see that they just developed another world class 800 meter runner in Athing Mu.
I've never really understood why more successful college athletes don't stick with their college coaches. Maybe those college coaches just don't have the time and resources to maintain a college program and coach their former athletes professionally. Just my guess. There are some truly world class coaches that can take athletes to that next level, but sometimes training inside a comfort zone is best for an athlete. May not be what Brazier needs, but I agree it's something he should consider.
BTW, even if Brazier isn't hurt (and for all the world he didn't look healthy in the final 200m), wouldn't it be better from a PR standpoint just to say he was hurt? "dealing with a leg issue" is enough to stop the speculating.
It was maxfly’s I’m pretty sure, and they’re also sprint spikes
The Clown Show wrote:
I've never really understood why more successful college athletes don't stick with their college coaches. Maybe those college coaches just don't have the time and resources to maintain a college program and coach their former athletes professionally. Just my guess. There are some truly world class coaches that can take athletes to that next level, but sometimes training inside a comfort zone is best for an athlete. May not be what Brazier needs, but I agree it's something he should consider.
BTW, even if Brazier isn't hurt (and for all the world he didn't look healthy in the final 200m), wouldn't it be better from a PR standpoint just to say he was hurt? "dealing with a leg issue" is enough to stop the speculating.
The Tracklandia with Brazier and Craig Engels made it seem as though they train together a lot. With that, plus Brazier's willingness to race 1500m makes me guess that Brazier's training under Julian is probably drastically different from what he was doing at A&M.
If that's true... (Which that still might not be), I don't really have a strong belief if this was the "correct" decision or not.
I would think that traditional 800m/1500m training combined with his natural speed probably did help with his consistency and led to the world gold. But I also see an argument that training as a long sprinter had him on trajectory to be running 1:40 by now, but with a higher risk of blowing up in championships.
4reefclover wrote:
I think Engles posted about the injury on his Instagram. They are teammates so that would be a reliable source.
It's probably exactly what Donovan said in the post-race interview. He had a lot of nagging, minor things but he felt that he should have been able to make the team anyway -- it isn't a broken foot or something he couldn't run through.
He wasn't 100%, but felt he should've been able to make it at 80% or whatever. Obviously he mentally lost it when he realized he wasn't making the team but it wasn't all mental or all physical. He wasn't in shape to make it due to his setbacks and rather than battling for 4th or 5th he ran 1:47. NBD IMO.
Spainflyer wrote:
Wow! LRers are a tough bunch! Especially those who never broke 2 min in their lives, writing off DB as a psyched-out wimp. The guy’s a champion, for heaven’s sake, give him some credit!
Now, isn’t it possible that his injury was the major factor in his “no plan” approach? He worried and didn’t know how the “broken foot” (as it has been referred to here) was going to affect his race. Worried that he could not get up to his 23-24 second 200 meter speed, and confused about how to compensate for that.
To admit he was running injured would have implicated his coach (who should be implicated, in my opinion and Salvitore Stichmo’s) and he was too much of a gentleman to do that.
I’ve had two stress fractures and I can’t imagine racing or even training with them. Six weeks running in the pool along with bike and other exercises. Lord knows how long it’s going to take DB to get fully healthy now, but best of luck to him!
He bombed out dude - watch the video again. Why so much resistance to basic facts? He has not said he’s injured and neither has his coach. To assume he is hurt is just pure speculation. An injury would be a great excuse and a valid one, as it happens to everyone, but that’s not what we have heard from him. The injury justification is totally fabricated until he or coach confirm.
He was not in shape to win the trials but possibly he could have made the team running more conservatively. Jewett complicated things by forcing DB into a tactical position at a blistering pace he was not in shape to hold. DB is an unreal talent but he has struggled mentally in the past, so there is history. He had the weight of everyone’s expectations and his own on a race in which he was not in great shape to run. He wore that lack of confidence in his face before the gun went off. He bombed and he said so himself.
compreezy wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Good points.
Another explanation - he really couldn't get his head in the game and got obliterated, so it made more sense for his reputation, team and sponsor to come up with an excuse. That's what I would recommend. I'm seeing so much resistance to this idea but I don't get why it doesn't sound plausible to people. He was certainly not visibly injured, no limp and no grimace. He just couldn't summon the hurt, period. It can happen to anyone, it's just that his stellar blow up after all the hype and fast running seems impossible.
The couple of meets that they scratched from this season after Brazier was entered - were those also because he could not "get his head in the game"?
Further, I do not agree that he was not visibly injured. It seemed very clear to me that he wasn't running with his normal gait.
"Couldn't summon the hurt" is laughably sophomoric.
Bump because it's still relevant.
Harold #1 wrote:
If this is true I feel bad for Donovan. No way should he be running if he has a stress fracture.
the Olympics only comes around every 4 - 5 years
That's longer than most careers
birdbeard2 wrote:
4reefclover wrote:
I think Engles posted about the injury on his Instagram. They are teammates so that would be a reliable source.
It's probably exactly what Donovan said in the post-race interview. He had a lot of nagging, minor things but he felt that he should have been able to make the team anyway -- it isn't a broken foot or something he couldn't run through.
He wasn't 100%, but felt he should've been able to make it at 80% or whatever. Obviously he mentally lost it when he realized he wasn't making the team but it wasn't all mental or all physical. He wasn't in shape to make it due to his setbacks and rather than battling for 4th or 5th he ran 1:47. NBD IMO.
No doubt he could’ve performed better for the shape he was in though. Understandably it’s very hard to run a completely different race than everyone else, so he tried to hold Jewett’s pace and fizzled out badly.
compreezy wrote:
compreezy wrote:
The couple of meets that they scratched from this season after Brazier was entered - were those also because he could not "get his head in the game"?
Further, I do not agree that he was not visibly injured. It seemed very clear to me that he wasn't running with his normal gait.
"Couldn't summon the hurt" is laughably sophomoric.
Bump because it's still relevant.
No, not relevant. He is not in great shape and would have needed to go deep in the pain chamber to make the team - and clearly he wasn’t up for it. It’s crystal clear when Murphy pulled up, DB wasn’t having any of that action. The gait observation is baseless… he looks flat if anything but same long stride as always, no limp and no grimace. He just bombed, accept it.
Trollminator wrote:
compreezy wrote:
Bump because it's still relevant.
No, not relevant. He is not in great shape and would have needed to go deep in the pain chamber to make the team - and clearly he wasn’t up for it. It’s crystal clear when Murphy pulled up, DB wasn’t having any of that action. The gait observation is baseless… he looks flat if anything but same long stride as always, no limp and no grimace. He just bombed, accept it.
Your refusal to address his having to scratch from other meets and his obvious gait issues are showing that you have no credibility.
compreezy wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
No, not relevant. He is not in great shape and would have needed to go deep in the pain chamber to make the team - and clearly he wasn’t up for it. It’s crystal clear when Murphy pulled up, DB wasn’t having any of that action. The gait observation is baseless… he looks flat if anything but same long stride as always, no limp and no grimace. He just bombed, accept it.
Your refusal to address his having to scratch from other meets and his obvious gait issues are showing that you have no credibility.
How about relying on communications by the source himself who has not mentioned any injury and admitted he bombed? That might be a better approach than making $hit up.