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Seemed like Cheptegei chose to shut it down once he knew he’d miss the record, otherwise it looked like he had a 7:23 in him even with the slightly off pacing. Only reason that would make sense is if he has another big race or attempt coming up.

cramberrys wrote:

` wrote:

[quote]interested party wrote:

[quote]` wrote:

Goes to show that the wavelights are really only useful for 5k and up, where the pacing is more important than the speed. Here, they just didn't have it.

I do think the 5k and 10k WRs benefitted MUCH more from the wavelights than the new shoes. I think they should be DQ'd as a result.

this is wrong and stupid

I agree somewhat, but surely speed has something to do with it. The 3000m is a much stronger record because it is 58.6/400m. If you run the first 1600 in 3:55, you're SLOW and you still have 3.5 laps at that pace to go.

Cheptegei can run 60-63 second laps for up to 27 minutes, but it's like someone thinking a guy who runs 4:08 is close to breaking 4:00 in the mile. There is a huge gulf of ability in dropping those extra 2+ seconds per lap.

The producers completely blew this 3000 coverage. Everyone knows you follow up the triple jump and triple jump replays with a long commercial break.

Han Solo wrote:

` wrote:

Goes to show that the wavelights are really only useful for 5k and up, where the pacing is more important than the speed. Here, they just didn't have it.

I do think the 5k and 10k WRs benefitted MUCH more from the wavelights than the new shoes. I think they should be DQ'd as a result.

Struggling to understand the logic here.

+1

cramberrys wrote:

` wrote:

Nope, it's the correct take. Cheptegei's splits in the 5k and 10k were METRONOMIC. He basically had a pacer run the whole race with him, which would otherwise be impossible. Wavelights should be BANNED.

+1 Much easier mentally + you get perfect pacing that you or another human would have to have the feel for otherwise. Btw Chep just chilled last 600

So what's chilling for the last 600 worth to the Letsrun Hyperbolic Hypothetical What If crowd? A 7:29? Maybe you could really bend reality and say 7:27?

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Han Solo wrote:

Struggling to understand the logic here.

Running 60.5s per lap is not that taxing for these guys, the difficulty is hitting those 60.5s laps every single lap. Same goes for the 10k, where pacing matters A LOT. The wavelights give you a pacer for the entire race.

But, running 59s each lap is significantly harder, especially for a guy who only has a 3:37 1500 this year. With these shorter distances, the wavelight advantage becomes less relevant.

Did you even watch the 5K? He was ahead of the wavelights almost the whole way. It was irrelevant to him.

I think McSewyn could have won that race.

I ran a track meet when I was 8 wrote:

Why don't javelin throwers spin? If it's good enough for the shot, and hammer, why not?

And where would you choose to sit in the bleachers?

roller coaster wrote:

Han Solo wrote:

Struggling to understand the logic here.

+1

It's pretty simple. Wavelights are only useful for their ability to provide metronomic pacing. In speed based events such as the 800 and 1500, I doubt they would be that useful, especially because you can usually get a pacer to run 1000-1200 meters at WR pace. But, in events like the 5k and 10k, the pacing can be much more variable, and that's where the difficulty lies for those world records.

I claim that Cheptegei had an unfair advantage by having wavelights for his 5k and 10k attempts.

Hardloper wrote:

` wrote:

Running 60.5s per lap is not that taxing for these guys, the difficulty is hitting those 60.5s laps every single lap. Same goes for the 10k, where pacing matters A LOT. The wavelights give you a pacer for the entire race.

But, running 59s each lap is significantly harder, especially for a guy who only has a 3:37 1500 this year. With these shorter distances, the wavelight advantage becomes less relevant.

Did you even watch the 5K? He was ahead of the wavelights almost the whole way. It was irrelevant to him.

Wrong. He was EXACTLY ahead of the wavelights the entire way. He could easily see them in his peripheral vision. That is why they are so useful. You don't have to think. You just need to run ahead of these artificial lights, and boom, world record. He would not have run a world record without them.

Men's 10,000 meters results

1 Jacob Kiplimo 00 Uganda WL 26:33.93

2 Birhanu Balew 96 Bahrain NR 27:07.49

3 Iliass Aouani 95 Italy PB 27:45.81

4 Juan Antonio Pérez 88 Spain PB 27:46.08

5 Mehdi Frere 96 France SB 28:09.68

6 Abdallah Kibet Mande 95 Uganda SB 28:20.91

7 Aras Kaya 94 Turkey SB 28:45.48

8 Sezgin Atac 98 Turkey PB 28:49.94

9 de la Oliva Emil Millán 01 Sweden SB 29:25.76

Jana Budinová 75 2B WINNER TEAM

Peter KiprotichPACE 98 Kenya DNF

Youssef TaoussiPACE 94 Spain DNF

Adam DvořáčekPACE 96 Czech Republic DNF

Men's 3000 meter steeplechase results

1 Getnet Wale 00 Ethiopia 8:09.47

2 Phil Norman 89 United Kingdom 8:20.12

3 Osama Zoghlami 94 Italy 8:20.29

4 Daniel Arce 92 Spain 8:21.53

5 Ahmed Abdelwahed 96 Italy 8:21.54

6 Boniface Abel Sikowo 99 Uganda 8:28.91

7 Albert Chemutai 99 Uganda 8:31.21

8 Victor Ruiz 93 Spain 8:31.49

9 Martin Grau 92 Germany 8:34.25

10 Damián Vích 98 Czech Republic 8:46.09

Men's 3000 meters

1 Joshua Cheptegei 96 Uganda 7:33.24

2 Paul Chelimo 90 United States 7:41.69

3 Oscar Chelimo 01 Uganda 7:43.00

4 Seán Tobin 94 Ireland 7:49.37

5 Isaac Kimeli 94 Belgium 7:49.47

6 Andreas Vojta 89 Austria 7:49.75

7 Abdessamad Oukhelfen 98 Spain 8:07.68

8 Vojtěch Král 98 Czech Republic 8:20.61

Stewart McSweynPACE 95 Australia DNF

Richard DoumaPACE 93 Netherlands DNF

Men's 1500 meters

1 Marcin Lewandowski 87 Poland 3:35.57

2 Jesús Gómez 91 Spain 3:35.70

3 Samuel Abate 99 Ethiopia 3:36.32

4 Ignacio Fontes 98 Spain 3:36.48

5 Charles Grethen 92 Luxembourg NR 3:36.75

6 István Szögi 95 Hungary 3:36.83

7 Ismael Debjani 90 Belgium 3:36.86

8 Michał Rozmys 95 Poland 3:37.10

9 Filip Sasínek 96 Czech Republic 3:37.21

10 Luke McCann 98 Ireland 3:37.77

11 Alexis Miellet 95 France 3:38.15

12 Jakub Holuša 88 Czech Republic 3:38.19

13 Jan Friš 95 Czech Republic 3:38.88

14 Quentin Tison 96 France 3:39.06

15 Simon Denissel 90 France 3:41.65

16 Rorey Hunter 93 Australia 3:42.29

Paul Robinson 91 Ireland DNF

Adam CzerwińskiPACE 88 Poland DNF

Jan SýkoraPACE 92 Czech Republic DNF

Men's 800 meters

1 Max Burgin 02 United Kingdom 1:44.14

2 Diepen Tony Van 96 Netherlands 1:45.36

3 Jake Wightman 94 United Kingdom 1:45.47

4 Mateusz Borkowski 97 Poland 1:45.74

5 Patryk Dobek 94 Poland 1:45.88

6 Saúl Ordóňez 94 Spain 1:46.23

7 John Fitzsimons 98 Ireland 1:46.62

8 Amel Tuka 91 Bosnia And Herzegovina 1:46.64

9 Filip Šnejdr 95 Czech Republic 1:46.68

10 Adam Kszczot 89 Poland 1:47.49

11 Mark English 93 Ireland 1:47.85

12 Adisu Girma 99 Ethiopia 1:48.48

Tadeáš Plaček 03 Czech Republic DNF

Men's 100 meters +1.4 wind

1 Fred Kerley 95 United States 09.96 0.129

2 Justin Gatlin 82 United States 10.08 0.172

3 Grasse André De 94 Canada 10.17 0.158

4 Silvan Wicki 95 Switzerland 10.28 0.160

5 Ján Volko 96 Slovakia 10.31 0.143

6 Jan Veleba 86 Czech Republic 10.38 0.157

7 Gool Joris Van 98 Netherlands 10.39 0.159

8 Zdeněk Stromšík 94 Czech Republic 10.44 0.174

Women's 200 meters -1.1 wind aid

1 Sha`Carri Richardson 00 United States 22.35 0.124

2 Blessing Okagbare 88 Nigeria 22.59 0.121

3 Mujinga Kambundji 92 Switzerland 22.85 0.202

4 Dafne Schippers 92 Netherlands 22.91 0.178

5 Alexandra Burghardt 94 Germany 23.47 0.131

6 Lada Vondrová 99 Czech Republic 23.90 0.122

7 Jana Slaninová 90 Czech Republic 24.22 0.191

8 Viktoria Forster 02 Slovakia 24.34 0.168

Men's 400 meters

1 Kirani James 92 Grenad 44.74 0.214

2 Vernon Norwood 92 United States 45.28 0.290

3 Jochem Dobber 97 Netherlands 45.30 0.223

4 Edoardo Scotti 50 Italy 45.73 0.209

5 Liemarvin Bonevacia 89 Netherlands 46.18 0.145

6 Pavel Maslák 91 Czech Republic 46.52 0.219

7 Patrik Šorm 93 Czech Republic 46.90 0.163

8 Jan Tesař 90 Czech Republic 47.12 0.196

Men's 400 meters hurdles

1 Yasmani Copello 87 Turkey 49.21 0.185

2 Alessandro Sibilio 99 Italy 49.62 0.163

3 Máté Koroknai 93 Hungary 49.70 0.179

4 Ramsey Angela 99 Netherlands 50.14 0.198

5 Martin Kučera 90 Slovakia 50.47 0.220

6 Martin Tuček 95 Czech Republic 50.77 0.175

7 David Greene 86 United Kingdom 51.66 0.148

8 Chris McAllister 95 United Kingdom 52.12 0.144

Women 400 meters hurdles

1 Jessie Knight 94 United Kingdom 54.74 0.216

2 Anna Ryzhykova 89 Ukraine 55.09 0.238

3 Sara Slott Petersen 87 Denmark 55.76 0.189

4 Emma Zapletalová 00 Slovakia 55.83 0.156

5 Linda Olivieri 98 Italy 56.48 0.392

6 Nikoleta Jíchová 00 Czech Republic 58.47 0.216

7 Daniela Ledecká 96 Slovakia 59.33 0.162

Lina Nielsen 96 United Kingdom DNF 0.170

Now people are arguing there is no pacing in a 3000m? Have you never run one?

Kenaneeser Beckelay wrote:

I think McSewyn could have won that race.

+1

He is certainly a faster 3000 runner than Cheptegei.

However, McSweyn has a 1500m coming up in Gateshead in a few days. Probably wants to be fresh and run as fast as possible.

Men's Pole Vault

1 Armand Duplantis Sweden 99 5.90 meters - - - XO - XO - X- O X- XX

2 Sam Kendricks United States 92 5.85 meters - - O O O O - XO X- XX

3 Valentin Lavillenie France 91 5.60 meters - - XXO - XO XXX

4 Adrian Valles Spain 95 5.50 meters - XO O O XXX

5 Ethan Cormont France 00 5.40 meters - XO O XXX

6= Matěj Ščerba Czech Republic 98 5.20 meters - XO

6= Ersu Sasma Turkey 99 5.20 meters - XO

8 Dan Bárta Czech Republic 98 5.20 meters XXO XO XXX

9 Jan Kudlička Czech Republic 88 5.20 meters - XXO XXX

Men's Long Jump

1 Augustin Bey France 95 8.02 meters -0.3 m/s 7.99 -0.9 8.02 -0.3 - 8.02 X - 7.78 -0.3

2 Benjamin Gföhler Switzerland 94 7.73 meters +0.7 m/s 7.32 +0.2 7.54 +0.6 7.66 -0.3 7.66 7.41 +0.1 7.73 +0.7 X

3 Radek Juška Czech Republic 93 7.62 meters +0.1 m/s X X X 0 7.47 -1.7 7.62 +0.1 X

4 Fabian Heinle Germany 94 7.60 meters -0.4 m/s 7.60 -0.4 X X 7.60 7.30 -0.8 7.38 -0.8 7.60 -0.2

5 Gabriel Bitan Romania 98 7.48 meters +0.1 m/s 7.33 +0.1 X X 7.33 7.38 -0.4 7.48 +0.1 7.41 +0.2

6 Jakub Bystroň Czech Republic 99 7.41 meters -0.4 m/s X X 6.33 -0.1 6.33 7.30 +0.9 7.41 -0.4 7.31 -0.5

7 Šimon Navrátil Czech Republic 03 7.13 meters +0.0 m/s 6.79 +0.2 X 7.13 +0.0 7.13 6.78 -0.9 X X

8 Adam Sebastian Helcelet Czech Republic 91 7.08 meters +0.4 m/s 7.08 +0.8 6.99 +0.1 6.82 -0.1 7.08 7.08 +0.4 - -

Long jump - Women

(Wed, 19.5.2021 - 14:00) OFFICIAL Result

Pos. Name Born Ord. Result Reg. result 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6.

1 Ema Maštalířová TJ Dukla Praha 00 5.80 meters -0.1 m/s X 5.80 -0.1 5.38 -1.3 5.80 X 4.11 -0.1 5.69 -0.2

2 Tereza Hromadníková AK Olymp Brno, spolek 99 5.79 meters +0.9 m/s 5.39 5.69 +0.9 X 5.69 5.55 +0.3 5.58 -0.4 5.79 +0.9

3 Lucie Pisková SSK Vítkovice, z.s. 03 5.65 meters -0.6 m/s 5.32 +0.0 X 5.65 -0.6 5.65 5.32 -0.5 5.43 -1.3 X

4 Valerie Janků ASK Slavia Praha 02 5.55 meters -0.2 m/s X 5.44 -1.0 5.22 -0.7 5.44 5.52 +0.5 5.34 +0.1 5.55 -0.2

5 Justýna Brýdlová AC Vysoké Mýto z.s. 03 5.48 meters -0.3 m/s 4.93 X X 4.93 5.48 -0.3 5.39 -0.2 3.84 -0.9

6 Adéla Tkáčová Atletický klub Emila Zátopka Kopřivnice 05 5.30 meters -0.7 m/s 4.84 5.14 -0.1 5.30 -0.7 5.30 5.11 +0.4 5.17 +0.7 5.09 0.0

7 Ema Feilhauerová Atletický klub Emila Zátopka Kopřivnice 05 4.97 meters +0.1 m/s 4.78 X 4.64 -0.2 4.78 X 4.94 +0.5 4.97 +0.1

Triple jump - Men

(Wed, 19.5.2021 - 18:45) OFFICIAL

Pos. Name Born Ord. Result Reg. result 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6.

1 Hugues Fabrice Zango Burkina Faso 93 17.20 meters +0.7 m/s 17.14 -0.6 X 16.78 -0.9 17.14 17.20 +0.7 16.88 -0.2 X

2 Max Hess Germany 96 16.97 meters +0.4 m/s 14.75 -0.9 X X 14.75 16.97 +0.4 16.96 -1.3 X

3 Melvin Raffin France 98 16.71 meters -0.9 m/s 16.56 -1.0 15.64 +1.0 16.44 -0.3 16.56 16.29 -0.8 X 16.71 -0.9

4 Jean-Marc Pontvianne France 94 16.37 meters -0.5 m/s X X 16.37 -0.5 16.37 13.25 +0.2 X 14.76 -0.6

5 Christian Taylor United States 90 16.36 meters -0.7 m/s X 15.92 +0.5 16.36 -0.7 16.36 - X -

6 Jiří Vondráček Czech Republic 88 15.89 meters -0.9 m/s 15.55 +0.3 15.64 +0.4 15.88 -0.2 15.88 15.89 -0.9 15.66 -0.6 15.59 -1.2

7 Ondřej Vodák Czech Republic 98 15.59 meters +0.5 m/s 15.52 +0.1 X 15.00 -0.5 15.52 15.59 +0.5 14.85 -0.7 14.69 -1.2

Bobbykins wrote:

Kenaneeser Beckelay wrote:

I think McSewyn could have won that race.

+1

He is certainly a faster 3000 runner than Cheptegei.

However, McSweyn has a 1500m coming up in Gateshead in a few days. Probably wants to be fresh and run as fast as possible.

Aw poo poo.

Komen's 1996:

18 May 1996 Atlanta GP, Atlanta, GA 7:52.41

26 May 1996 Eugene Prefontaine Classic, Eugene, OR 13:10.14

05 Jun 1996 Roma Golden Gala, Roma 13:01.38

07 Jun 1996 Moskva Znamenskiy Memorial, Moskva 7:39.43

27 Jun 1996 Nairobi Kenyan Ch., Nairobi 13:42.50

03 Jul 1996 Lausanne Athletissima, Lausanne 7:31.32

08 Jul 1996 Stockholm DN Galan, Stockholm 12:51.60

14 Jul 1996 Lappeenranta Karelia Games, Lappeenranta 8:03.54

10 Aug 1996 Monte Carlo Herculis-Vittel, Monaco 7:25.16

14 Aug 1996 Zürich Weltklasse, Zürich 12:45.09

16 Aug 1996 Köln Int. Sparkassen Cup, Köln 3:34.17

23 Aug 1996 Bruxelles Memorial van Damme, Bruxelles 7:25.87

30 Aug 1996 Berlin ISTAF, Berlin 13:02.62

01 Sep 1996 Rieti '96, Rieti 7:20.67WR

07 Sep 1996 Milano IAAF Grand Prix Final, Arena Civica, Milano 12:52.38

If you're in shape, you can race more than once a week.

True indeed! Lack of races for a long time can give less good result the first race, but of course there are sometimes very good first time race after long training period too.

Duck and Cover wrote:

I ran a track meet when I was 8 wrote:

Why don't javelin throwers spin? If it's good enough for the shot, and hammer, why not?

And where would you choose to sit in the bleachers?

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

True indeed! Lack of races for a long time can give less good result the first race, but of course there are sometimes very good first time race after long training period too.

And sometimes a lot of races for a long time can give good results and sometimes the first time racing after a long time leads to a bad result

` wrote:

Goes to show that the wavelights are really only useful for 5k and up, where the pacing is more important than the speed. Here, they just didn't have it.

I do think the 5k and 10k WRs benefitted MUCH more from the wavelights than the new shoes. I think they should be DQ'd as a result.

I think Cheptegei just doesn't have the speed to really get this record and has nothing to do with wavelight.

I think it would have been a huge advantage if someone like Bekele had wavelight as the splits in all of his faster 3,000m races were terrible (numerous 61 or 62s laps in the first few laps). If the pacers had the wavelight to go off I'm sure he could of taken a few seconds off his PR

7:26.69:

28.25

60.06

61.29

61.92

60.95

58.84

58.35

57.08

7:25.79

28.1

60.12

61.23

62.2

59.09

59.05

60.07

56.04