Down goes the Dow

K5 wrote:

Recognizer of Ridiculousness wrote:

Are you folks serious? K5 may well have made a bad call here. But nearly everyone who ever tries to get in and out of the market at lows/highs respectively makes LOTS of bad calls. That does not make them 'complete fools'.

Clearly I would have been better off getting out today instead of five months ago.

clearly klondike has lost control of his handle again. either that or this is the first time ever that he has admitted being wrong in any way at any time. Despite his being wrong about virtually every possible thing.

next up, an admission that jews don't secretly control the Saudi gov't.

On the other hand you, agip, are NOT a funny little man. You are an honest man, able to admit mistakes and eager to learn - one of my favorite LRC posters.

Cheers

So now simple accuracy is "defeatist".

Sorry, but now you do not even sound sane.

Every time Agip slanders me as a Jew hater, I will post several factual news items about his beloved Israel.

That wonderful racist colonial settler state with racial attitudes right out of the 19th century that our pols all must kneel before.

If he wants to open that door, then he has to accept what walks through it

wull...sure...divs are good and they provide much of the return of the stock market. But saying a mutual fund has given you a huge dividend as if that is some kind of one time bonus is not accurate.

and anyway, I suspect what you are calling a 'dividend' is actually a combination of dividends and capital gains. A realized capital gain is neither good nor bad - just a completed investment at a gain.

if you tell me what fund you are talking about I can take a look.

agip wrote:

wull...sure...divs are good and they provide much of the return of the stock market. But saying a mutual fund has given you a huge dividend as if that is some kind of one time bonus is not accurate.

and anyway, I suspect what you are calling a 'dividend' is actually a combination of dividends and capital gains. A realized capital gain is neither good nor bad - just a completed investment at a gain.

if you tell me what fund you are talking about I can take a look.

1) I never said a dividend was a one-time bonus. Mutual funds typically pay quarterly.

2) No...what I am calling a dividend is actually just a dividend...defined as such by the fund.

You have to keep in mind that Flagpole thinks betting $50k if you have a 1 in 4 chance of winning and the prize is $1 million is a bad bet.

He also thinks if the market crashes he has not lost any money cuz he still holds the stocks. But if you have no equity holdings and the market goes up, you have lost money.

In other words, Flag is plain old dumb.

But at least he is well meaning and harmless.

Agip is also dumb and harmless. But not well meaning. And hate filled, dishonest, insecure, and defensive. Kind of like an old fashioned triple threat but moreso

K5 wrote:

Every time Agip slanders me as a Jew hater, I will post several factual news items about his beloved Israel.

That wonderful racist colonial settler state with racial attitudes right out of the 19th century that our pols all must kneel before.

If he wants to open that door, then he has to accept what walks through it

I very, very rarely defend israel. Once in a while, and only when a factually false statement is made about it. I doubt you could ever find a post from me defending the place. They have repeatedly acted abominably.

it's your klan/islamist/glenn beck/protocols of zion views of jews that I mock

Flagpole wrote:

agip wrote:

wull...sure...divs are good and they provide much of the return of the stock market. But saying a mutual fund has given you a huge dividend as if that is some kind of one time bonus is not accurate.

and anyway, I suspect what you are calling a 'dividend' is actually a combination of dividends and capital gains. A realized capital gain is neither good nor bad - just a completed investment at a gain.

if you tell me what fund you are talking about I can take a look.

1) I never said a dividend was a one-time bonus. Mutual funds typically pay quarterly.

2) No...what I am calling a dividend is actually just a dividend...defined as such by the fund.

didn't you say a fund paid an 8% dividend or something like that? How is that possible if cap gains are not part of it? I'm genuinely curious. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.

I see, so, driven from your initial refuge '2) Ignore offending post and hope nobody notices/remembers.', you now proceed to your remaining option '3) Avoid/Weasel/Obfuscate can we change the topic now please?'

Well done, my funny little friend.

Bpk explained it to you. Correctly.

agip explained it to you. Correctly.

I explained it to you. Correctly.

And at some point you said to yourself, 'Oh shit, they're right. I have been totally wrong all along. After all these years of investing I had no idea about this simplest of concepts...OK, so if I don't respond nobody will notice...

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...Oh shit! U R A... has come back on here and called me out, now I have to respond. So, how can I speak gobbledy gook long enough so that they will get tired of responding and explaining the obvious to me without me ever admitting my ridiculous error? I know, let's change the topic! Let's talk about 'defeatist attitudes' and 'set values' and 'reinvesting dividends as most due' and...certainly my tormentors will tire and I can be left to live freely in my own personal la-la land where all the world revolves around ME and my lack of understanding of basic concepts just doesn't matter because I can rename them as I wish'

Yes, my little friend, you are quite the winner. We all tire of pointing out the obvious to you. And we all tire of waiting for you to be man enough to simply admit your error, thank those who corrected you, and move on.

You win. We are all impressed. Have fun with those RIDICULOUS dividends that made you so much wealthier.

Agip.

You are a liar.

I posted several critical accounts of Israel (and their Lobby in the USA) and that prompted you to call me a Jew hater or to claim I have klan/islamist/glenn beck/protocols of zion views of jews.

You never, of course, actually dispute whatever I have posted so you have no choice to resort to cries of anti-Semitism. That is all the defenders of Israel have left. They certainly have no truth on their side.

Here is another heartwarming article on that Light Unto Nations.

RAMALLAH, occupied West Bank (IPS) - Israel has found a cheap and easy way to get rid of its waste, much of it hazardous: dump it into the West Bank. A few Palestinians can be bought, the rest are in no position to complain.

“Israel has been dumping waste, including hazardous and toxic waste, into the West Bank for years as a cheaper and easier alternative to processing it properly in Israel at appropriate hazardous waste management sites".

Shuqbah, a village of 5,000, lies near the border of Israel and the West Bank, not far from Ramallah. Israeli companies have been using land owned by a Palestinian middleman in the village to dump tons of garbage for as little as 30 dollars per ton, significantly cheaper than dumping it at Israeli waste sites.

“For several years Israeli companies have been dumping solid and hazardous waste there,” . “The subsequent burning of toxic waste including items such as x-ray films releases carcinogens into the environment, and this has affected the population, with many people developing asthma and related illnesses.”

The Israelis earlier buried the carcasses of thousands of chickens infected with the avian flu virus near Nablus in the northern West Bank. The PEA also uncovered 500 barrels of insecticide in Hebron in the southern West Bank. Again, a Palestinian middleman had been paid off to accept the barrels on his property.

ok - you said the Artisan Mid Cap fund paid out an 8% dividend.

here's what happened:

they sold a bunch of stocks, realizing large gains. By the law, they have to pay those gains out to shareholders in the fund. Then, as those funds leave the fund, the NAV of the fund drops, just as in the dividend example.

In this case, there were absolutely no dividends paid out to you. Just $3.798 in capital gains. Which is fine, they made some good bets and closed them at a gain. but it's not the same as a dividend, and they did not increase your wealth.

http://www.artisanfunds.com/distributions/current.cfm

agip wrote:

ok - you said the Artisan Mid Cap fund paid out an 8% dividend.

here's what happened:

they sold a bunch of stocks, realizing large gains. By the law, they have to pay those gains out to shareholders in the fund. Then, as those funds leave the fund, the NAV of the fund drops, just as in the dividend example.

In this case, there were absolutely no dividends paid out to you. Just $3.798 in capital gains. Which is fine, they made some good bets and closed them at a gain. but it's not the same as a dividend, and they did not increase your wealth.

http://www.artisanfunds.com/distributions/current.cfm

CORRECT!!

K5 wrote:

Now, please note carefully. At a point when everybody sees, they actually DO NOT RUN AMERICA and that is exactly what Zbig celebrates. ... So, he uses the “‘Jews’ run America” canard, exactly when everyone that has eyes or ears can see and hear exactly the opposite.

Is this another example of the new K5? First he admits to his investment faux pas, and now the Jews don't run America? Wow...dawn lights on Marblehead.

Lopi wrote:

K5 wrote:

Now, please note carefully. At a point when everybody sees, they actually DO NOT RUN AMERICA and that is exactly what Zbig celebrates. ... So, he uses the “‘Jews’ run America” canard, exactly when everyone that has eyes or ears can see and hear exactly the opposite.

Is this another example of the new K5? First he admits to his investment faux pas, and now the Jews don't run America? Wow...dawn lights on Marblehead.

The old strawman strategy of those who do not have truth on their side. I have never, of course, said Jews run America.

The fact that you call this a canard exposes you as a defender of Israeli racism. Abe Foxman's favorite word to use when facts about Jewish organizations come to light

K5 wrote:

Lopi wrote:

Is this another example of the new K5? First he admits to his investment faux pas, and now the Jews don't run America? Wow...dawn lights on Marblehead.

The old strawman strategy of those who do not have truth on their side. I have never, of course, said Jews run America.

The fact that you call this a canard exposes you as a defender of Israeli racism. Abe Foxman's favorite word to use when facts about Jewish organizations come to light

You may not have said Jews run America, but you did say the Israeli Lobby runs Washington DC. How is that different?

And if using 'canard' means someone is a defender of Israeli racism, then you need to take a hard look in the mirror. That was YOUR word, not mine.

K5 wrote:

Every time Agip slanders me as a Jew hater, I will post several factual news items about his beloved Israel.

That wonderful racist colonial settler state with racial attitudes right out of the 19th century that our pols all must kneel before.

If he wants to open that door, then he has to accept what walks through it

I'm sure you will also post links to credible sources to back up your wonderful news articles right?

Oh wait that's not you. You'll never post the links to these fact based news items. Will you???

Lopi wrote:

You may not have said Jews run America, but you did say the Israeli Lobby runs Washington DC. How is that different?

How is that different? Acknowledging the obvious power of the Israel Lobby in Washington -- and you don't deny this, do you? -- is hardly the same as saying "the Jews" run America, is it.

And if using 'canard' means someone is a defender of Israeli racism, then you need to take a hard look in the mirror. That was YOUR word, not mine.

WTF? How does your using the word canard make it my word?

Your mind is really messed up

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

K5 wrote:

Every time Agip slanders me as a Jew hater, I will post several factual news items about his beloved Israel.

That wonderful racist colonial settler state with racial attitudes right out of the 19th century that our pols all must kneel before.

If he wants to open that door, then he has to accept what walks through it

I'm sure you will also post links to credible sources to back up your wonderful news articles right?

Oh wait that's not you. You'll never post the links to these fact based news items. Will you???

I actually have posted links several times as the only defense of Israeli loyalists is to claim I will not provide the links.