50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum

AK-67 wrote:

Are we supposed to be able to read that?

I was able to read it on my phone. Without even going to the imgur document.

Meanwhile, today is Day 1 of a taper week for me. I'm thinking maybe 40 minutes on the elliptical at lunchtime. I took yesterday off, but am still feeling beat up. And the elliptical I think is closer to running than bicycling. Actually, I have a choice between the "arc trainer" and the elliptical, the former of which mimics running even more closely, with no impact.

OGII was wondering about your training changes. The alternating run/long walk with sprints seemed to be working well.

Igy enjoyed the articles, you were only in your late twenties. I wish there was an archive of this stuff.

Allen the 2nd day after a hard workout always feels worse for me. I would vote for whatever is least stressful for your knee. Good Luck with the 15k .

EPO Eddy won that 6k winter cross 2002 he also placed high in open race. David Olds was 2nd 12 years later he got first.

https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20832484/justice-is-served-david-olds-gets-his-gold/

Charlie,

Thanks. I was 27 at the start of the season and my wife was four years younger. She became the first female cross country athlete at New Mexico Junior College. Probably close to two decades later NMJC started a full women’s cross country program coached by Bob Jackson. Bob was one of my cross country runners on a team that finished 7th at the NJCAA in 1977. That was my first year as a paid coach. I was a volunteer coach at Santa Monica College in 1976; really just worked with one distance runner. Interestingly I took the job at NMJC for $100 a month. I taught a class of sophomore English and History of Western Civilization at College of the Southwest for $550 a class. My wife was a teacher’s aide for special education. The next year I was an adjunct instructor at NMJC and my wife returned to school on a full time basis. I think those two years I income was $6,500-$7,500 a year. At the end of the month beans and corn bread was the standard fare. Good eating actually.

Igy

Allen1959 wrote:

AK-67 wrote:

Are we supposed to be able to read that?

I was able to read it on my phone. Without even going to the imgur document.

Not me. It’s too blurry either way. Oh well, I have an appt with the eye doc in October. Maybe she can read it to me. ?

AK67,

Sorry, that was the best focus I could get. Just a funny story about our team in 1978 that involved missing our plane and getting a free meal.

Igy

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

I think those two years I income was $6,500-$7,500 a year. At the end of the month beans and corn bread was the standard fare. Good eating actually.

Igy

That was decent money for 1976-77. I finally cracked $10K a couple of years later and thought I had died and gone to heaven.

Charlie wrote:

OGII was wondering about your training changes. The alternating run/long walk with sprints seemed to be working well.

Igy enjoyed the articles, you were only in your late twenties. I wish there was an archive of this stuff.

Allen the 2nd day after a hard workout always feels worse for me. I would vote for whatever is least stressful for your knee. Good Luck with the 15k .

EPO Eddy won that 6k winter cross 2002 he also placed high in open race. David Olds was 2nd 12 years later he got first.

"EPO Eddy"...that's funny! ? Speaking of him, is he still in the States or did he go back to Belgium? And didn't he have a HS coaching stint in the Tucson area? I wonder if he still runs or maybe even competing? (he would be late 50s/early 60s now). Imagine seeing him at some Masters gig and saying; "How ya doing EPO Eddy?" ?

AK67,

That was for two people. We got paid once a month then, and at the end of the month there was nothing but a couple of bucks in the checking account. No health insurance and no retirement benefit. At the time we qualified for food stamps but never took them. I was hired at Barton County Community College in 1979 at $18,000 a year and we bought our first house for $14,500 (one bedroom). We were living in high cotton.

Igy

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

AK67,

That was for two people. We got paid once a month then, and at the end of the month there was nothing but a couple of bucks in the checking account. No health insurance and no retirement benefit. At the time we qualified for food stamps but never took them. I was hired at Barton County Community College in 1979 at $18,000 a year and we bought our first house for $14,500 (one bedroom). We were living in high cotton.

Igy

I figured that was for both of you. I don’t recall what our combined income was in 1976, but we also qualified for food stamps. And we took them! They were a godsend. A former roommate moved away and left his cat behind. We had to get rid of it because we couldn’t afford to keep it. Finally hit the big time in late 1978 when I signed a one-year contract for $10,600 and bennies!

AK67,

I married a cat lover, so another two mouths to feed. Harvey and Skinny ate better than Portia and Reid on a relative level.

Igy

Re: amkelley and SFR;

"Perhaps I should just give up on the marathon...."

Noooo! Keep plugging - It will make this November's completion even that more sweet. There are likely not many 55+ folks here that have not suffered through at least several painful ventures.

You have a great base, keep your head up, rest, heal and kick some behind in November!

Some very cool stuff popping up on this thread!

Tough week and still struggling with a hamstring strain, been 30 days now and only slightly improved. Any suggestions gladly accepted!

Ran an easy 4 both Monday and Tuesday then took rest of the week off but only seeing a small bit of pain relief. Ah the joys of getting old (but it sure beats the alternative!)...

Hey did you guys see the Garlic Festival shooter was Tom Legans son??? Crazy... Dave

KCgeezer wrote:

whatever man wrote:

Since I barely seem to be able to muster much more than jogs and occasional tempos (any suggestion on how to get the fire back would be appreciated because I am pretty flat on most days), I'll post what I have Tom LeGan doing.

I appreciate this, since I'm new and I'm still trying to figure out who the standard-bearers are in my AG (and of course, everyone uses a nom de plume here which don't help). I've never heard of Tom LeGan and now I see he's going after a big mark in two weeks:

https://masterstrack.blog/2018/06/tom-legan-inching-toward-m50-world-record-mile-plans-july-17-attempt/

I can't offer much help for getting the fire back except for my general rule to life, which is to let your curiosity lead you to research and experiment, drop things that aren't working, and when all else fails, do nothing!

Used this method for upper hamstring takes time but it worked. The main idea is to keep the running theraputic by modulating the stressor. IOW you gotta stress the injury just enough to stimulate healing. The stress also needs to target the injured tissue which means running without reinjury rest don't work.

https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20846383/calf-heart-attacks/

Thanks Charlie! This is a new one for me, I've had other injuries over the years but never a hamstring. It's on the same side where I tore a hip flexor about 16 months ago so I'm guessing there's an imbalance there somewhere.

Charlie wrote:

Used this method for upper hamstring takes time but it worked. The main idea is to keep the running theraputic by modulating the stressor. IOW you gotta stress the injury just enough to stimulate healing. The stress also needs to target the injured tissue which means running without reinjury rest don't work.

https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20846383/calf-heart-attacks/

Not Done Just Yet wrote:

Re: amkelley and SFR;

"Perhaps I should just give up on the marathon...."

Noooo! Keep plugging - It will make this November's completion even that more sweet. There are likely not many 55+ folks here that have not suffered through at least several painful ventures.

You have a great base, keep your head up, rest, heal and kick some behind in November!

+1.

You just need to pick a better course, and you will be fine. (And don't go out too fast.) I always try to use a bad race as learning experience. And I think it should be still true for people who are far more experienced than myself.

My week.

M: off.

T-SA: 7 miles.

SU: 11 miles.

My "long run" is still only 11 miles. But I think I can build semi-decent endurance for my club race in September. Then I can build on that for my goal race in December.

Charlie, I thought of you when watching this countdown of Britain’s 5 toughest parkruns, especially #1

https://youtu.be/gljdVHt9WAY

This section looks very much like part of my daily loop. Sand is the best soft loose hard packed and everything in between. I had to tuck and roll on a steep decent awhile back when a sheep dog tried to herd me. No big deal you realize the long jumpers and triple jumpers land in sand imagine a long jumper landing on asphalt come now that is funny

https://youtu.be/gljdVHt9WAY?t=331

I've done that run more or less, but peeled off and went to James Peak (>13,000'). Latter mile and a half was too narrow to run much, so that was more of a hike. The road is great.