I hate to sound negative, but it is disappointing that it looks like we will finish with 15 boys under 9 for the 3200m this year. Last year it was 27 I believe. The 1600m top 25 times were very similar to last year. After the indoor season sensational times at the pro/college/HS level, and some very good Cal XC times, I was expecting a season much better than last year. In the southern section, the weather was really good this year for all the distance carnivals, we somehow managed to avoid really hot or windy weekends.
Next year isn't looking better. Last year, the 25th best returning time in the 3200m was 9:10.23, this year it is 9:13.38. The 1600m is about equal to last year. But it seems like the rest of the country is getting much faster.
The Arcadia feature race was slow, but the other Arcadia 3200m races weren't that slow. And there were plenty of other good opportunities to run sub 9 for someone who had that ability. Maybe the XC times are inflated a bit by super shoes, and therefore not completely translating to track times? Maybe, or maybe it just it didn't happen in the big races this year. But all the matters in the end is what you did, and I was hoping for more. Oh well.
I think we now know who to look for in CA XC this fall. In addition to the Jesuit boys, Maximo Zavaleta, Conor Lott, Aidan Antonio, Noel Huato, Oliver Hunter, and Olly O'Connor seem to be the individuals to watch out for.
has no one mentioned that 4x400 yet? one of the craziest races i’ve ever seen. 5 teams running 3:10 or faster. what the heck?
Incredible race
Talk about the girls relay races as well. Like the girls 4x800m was impressive as well. St. Francis High School (Mountain View, CCS) had a surprise third place finish and continue to show their upward trajectory in improving their program. I'm excited to see how they do in XC returning all but 1 of their scorers from last Clovis race when they finished 4th. JSerra did good too ig.
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There is NO confirmation for this comment as there are no 'officials' in the announcers booth. And IF someone was timing it 'separately'... they would have done so with a stop watch. LOL
Silly boy and your silly comment. The timing system being faulty for that race was told to me directly by someone in the announcers booth where they time every race to check for timing errors and also to get splits. They each have decades of experience and they ALL agreed that there was a timing error. That's right. 100% of them.
So stop already with your silly comments. He did NOT run 10.01.
Considering the top 4 in that one prelim had outlier times of very similar amounts, about .3 seconds, which they were not able to replicate with just as good as conditions the next day, and went back to the times they had before, then it is really hard to believe that it wasn't a timing error.
I hate to sound negative, but it is disappointing that it looks like we will finish with 15 boys under 9 for the 3200m this year. Last year it was 27 I believe.
not every year are we going to have top guys that have the ability to run close to 8:40. We had really fast guys last year so it's always difficult to compare. Perez, Morgenfeld and Bell were really top of their class. Running low 8:40-8:42 for a 3200 is actually insane if you you think about it. And then there was also Jason Parra who was 7th at nxn. So 4 top class runners last year. I think Noonan ran that in the indoor season too and was 5th at nxn but I think illness got to him not his fault hope he can kill it collegiately. I think some years are really strong and hard to compare to. It's rare to have 4 runners that can compete with the best.
If you time the race from the video, you can tell they did not run 10.01. The finish isn’t shown from the best angle but hand timing it (even slowed it down to half speed) I never got them faster than 10.15 before adding the .24.
That's why for year-to-year analysis, I use the 25th best time. I agree the top 5 times are basically just measuring if you had any rare talents, and can vary a great deal every year. But the 25th best time gets you past the outliers, and is much more consistent. But for this example, I just used sub-9 because it is easier for people to relate to, and last year was the first year in Cal history that a sub-9 didn't automatically get you in the top 25.
That's why for year-to-year analysis, I use the 25th best time. I agree the top 5 times are basically just measuring if you had any rare talents, and can vary a great deal every year. But the 25th best time gets you past the outliers, and is much more consistent. But for this example, I just used sub-9 because it is easier for people to relate to, and last year was the first year in Cal history that a sub-9 didn't automatically get you in the top 25.
I wonder what it was that made that last year so fast? having 25+ guys break 9 is insane.
I think one of the pleasant suprises this track season was Grant Miller. He broke 9 and was 5th at the state meet for the 1600 I didn't see that coming
Maybe the XC times are inflated a bit by super shoes, and therefore not completely translating to track times? Maybe, or maybe it just it didn't happen in the big races this year. But all the matters in the end is what you did, and I was hoping for more. Oh well.
I think we overinflate woodward park times and speed ratings probably do the same. I think the super shoes made the course significantly faster similar to running on a track
Maybe the XC times are inflated a bit by super shoes, and therefore not completely translating to track times? Maybe, or maybe it just it didn't happen in the big races this year. But all the matters in the end is what you did, and I was hoping for more. Oh well.
I think we overinflate woodward park times and speed ratings probably do the same. I think the super shoes made the course significantly faster similar to running on a track
I disagree because look at how comparable the time conversions are between runners before super shoes are with runners now with super shoes. Liam Anderson, Nico Young, Leo Daschabch, and Matt Strangio all ran really fast times at Woodward Park and achieved marks in track similar to what we see runners today get:
1. Evan Noonan and Nico young xc-track conversions are pretty comparable
2. Same with Eli Fitchen-Young and Matt Strangio.
3. As well as Leo Daschach and Eyan Turk.
4. Liam Anderson and Maximo Zavaleta is another example.
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