Serious thread about election fraud

You are focused on the vote total drops. I am focused on the quantised vote jumps for Biden. Big leaps forward for Biden, always in increments very close to 4,800 in GA, and 6,000 in PA. That is so statistically improbable as to almost be impossible. Now if I run the data and find that there are also quantised jumps for Trump in those quantities that were left out of the summary, then the analysis is misleading and provides no direct evidence of fraud. If not, then we have a smoking gun.

Of course there is a statistical anomaly. Dems voted by mail republicans were told not to. Dems were concerned about covid, republicans think it's like the flu. So repubs voted in person dems mailed in votes. No smoking gun.

So you believe trump when he tells you he lost because of cheating.

Did you believe him when he said Romney lost due to cheating?

Did you believe him when he said he lost a primary to Cruz because of cheating?

Did you believe him when he said he lost the popular vote to Hillary because of cheating?

Did you graduate from Trump University?

I am guessing yes.

"very close" to 4800 seems very arbitrary but ok!

in the range of 4500-5100 it happened for biden 6 times and trump 7 times.

maybe that range is too big

4700-4900

Biden 2 Trump 2

still too big

4750-4850

Biden 0 Trump 1

I'm sorry. What are you talking about??

point made.. wrote:

Of course there is a statistical anomaly. Dems voted by mail republicans were told not to. Dems were concerned about covid, republicans think it's like the flu.

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You don't seem to understand the significance of Trump's lead being wiped out by repeated vote jumps for Biden all in roughly the same multiples, but we have some smart people here who realize that if this turns out to be real, then it requires more than insults to explain it without fraud. It will take some to analyze the raw data myself, and fully admit that the data might have been cooked by these people, which is why I'm doing it myself.

Setting aside the above post showing that Trump vote totals were updated with similar numbers, why is this "so statistically improbable as to almost be impossible?"

They won't admit election fraud in the courts because the whole nation and its values would appear fraudulent. The government needs trust of people to maintain the control they also need. Many affidavits proving it suppressed. Obviously there was rigging. So many people involved, thousands in control, you are real naive to think no one manipulated things with so much on the line. But again, my first sentence says it all.

DiscoGary wrote:

point made.. wrote:

Of course there is a statistical anomaly. Dems voted by mail republicans were told not to. Dems were concerned about covid, republicans think it's like the flu.

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You don't seem to understand the significance of Trump's lead being wiped out by repeated vote jumps for Biden all in roughly the same multiples, but we have some smart people here who realize that if this turns out to be real, then it requires more than insults to explain it without fraud. It will take some to analyze the raw data myself, and fully admit that the data might have been cooked by these people, which is why I'm doing it myself.

Gee. Mail in ballots were held in "boxes" until election (some called them suitecases). These boxes are of a certain size. They hold a certain amount of votes. Democrats were, for the most part, voting by mail more than republicans. When counted, they are added to the tally.

Look it's not hard. Trump appealed greatly to the rural, uneducated mostly white populations. Biden appealed to the urban and/or educated populations. That's not 100%. There are educated Trump fans, and there are rural, white Biden fans (or probably Trump haters more than Biden Fans), but percentage wise Trump wins rural. Trump win uneducated whites. Biden win urban, suburban, educated, non-whites.

There are more of the later groups than there are of the former. And it's only going to get worse. The only way Republicans can win going forward is to 1) abandon Trumpish and become reasonable for educated and non-white votes, 2) hope all the people who came out to defeat Trump don't do it again in the next election.

Do you guys realize the election fraud debate is over and has been replaced by the possibility of impeachment, resignation and/or Article 25?

Meanwhile, Trump has been permanently banned from Twitter.

DiscoGary wrote:

point made.. wrote:

Of course there is a statistical anomaly. Dems voted by mail republicans were told not to. Dems were concerned about covid, republicans think it's like the flu.

...

You don't seem to understand the significance of Trump's lead being wiped out by repeated vote jumps for Biden all in roughly the same multiples, but we have some smart people here who realize that if this turns out to be real, then it requires more than insults to explain it without fraud. It will take some to analyze the raw data myself, and fully admit that the data might have been cooked by these people, which is why I'm doing it myself.

to be clear i do not agree that this means there's a smoking gun. I just believe it will be very easy to prove to you that this 'trend' is a nothing burger so it'll be settled once and for all.

that being said, i read your article and will note that their math is more convoluted than I thought. Not any less dumb, just more data twisting intensive, so you can ignore my first count. (they claim 930x is 'very close to a multiple of 4800 and thus proof of computer fraud? they claim biden got 104984 votes in multiples of 4800 ignoring the fact that 104984 is not a multiple of 4800? it's ridiculous.)

You won’t get a response to this I presume. DiscoGerry needs to learn about “controlled comparisons” before just spouting a sentence he read in blog. Nice work though! I love seeing these inane “irregularities” being taken down so succinctly.

just the facts, ma'am wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

You are focused on the vote total drops. I am focused on the quantised vote jumps for Biden. Big leaps forward for Biden, always in increments very close to 4,800 in GA, and 6,000 in PA. That is so statistically improbable as to almost be impossible. Now if I run the data and find that there are also quantised jumps for Trump in those quantities that were left out of the summary, then the analysis is misleading and provides no direct evidence of fraud. If not, then we have a smoking gun.

"very close" to 4800 seems very arbitrary but ok!

in the range of 4500-5100 it happened for biden 6 times and trump 7 times.

maybe that range is too big

4700-4900

Biden 2 Trump 2

still too big

4750-4850

Biden 0 Trump 1

I'm sorry. What are you talking about??

2600 bro wrote:

You won’t get a response to this I presume.

DiscoGerry needs to learn about “controlled comparisons” before just spouting a sentence he read in blog.

Nice work though! I love seeing these inane “irregularities” being taken down so succinctly.

just the facts, ma'am wrote:

"very close" to 4800 seems very arbitrary but ok!

in the range of 4500-5100 it happened for biden 6 times and trump 7 times.

maybe that range is too big

4700-4900

Biden 2 Trump 2

still too big

4750-4850

Biden 0 Trump 1

I'm sorry. What are you talking about??

Gary... you out there? Gary... you alive? Care to respond and enlighten everyone as to how you can be such a complete rube?

Ok 2600 bro and highhoppingworm, hold your horses. I already said I misunderstood their complaint before. I've redone it by their standards now.

They claim: Take the change in trumps vote and biden's vote between to time stamps. subtract the two (why?), and an unusually high number of times this favors Biden by a multiple 'close to' 4800. They consider changes such as 9300 'close to' the multiple @ 9600.

So...I took all 609 time stamps.

I subtracted trump and bidens totals.

I divided that number by 4800.

if that number was within 0.1 of a whole number, I deemed it a 'multiple of 4800' (even though it's not, but they counted 9300 and that's off by 0.07 so I wanted to be 'fair' by their calculation)

This happened 50 times out of 609 reporting periods.

If Trump - Biden was negative, it means it was a boon to Biden. If Trump-Biden was positive, it was a boon to Trump.

It broke 'by a multiple of close to 4800' in Trump's favor 27 out of 50 times (out of 609 total times)

Are we done now Gary? Let me know when you're done poring over the raw data yourself.

Ok Bros and Worms...as you were.

...and he got me so far into the weeds I lost track of the fact that his only objections are in PA and GA and that still isn't enough for Trump to get to 270.

It's all so dumb.

on my side it's a movie wrote:

They won't admit election fraud in the courts because the whole nation and its values would appear fraudulent. The government needs trust of people to maintain the control they also need. Many affidavits proving it suppressed. Obviously there was rigging. So many people involved, thousands in control, you are real naive to think no one manipulated things with so much on the line. But again, my first sentence says it all.

Trying to figure this one out.

Are you saying that the election fraud is being suppressed by the government?

That's a weird theory considering Trump, the guy claiming the election fraud, is in charge of the government.

Go easy on the poor guy, Jesus. lol

just the facts, ma'am wrote:

"very close" to 4800 seems very arbitrary but ok!

in the range of 4500-5100 it happened for biden 6 times and trump 7 times.

maybe that range is too big

4700-4900

Biden 2 Trump 2

still too big

4750-4850

Biden 0 Trump 1

I'm sorry. What are you talking about??

Legendary takedown. Nice work

just the facts, ma'am wrote:

It broke 'by a multiple of close to 4800' in Trump's favor 27 out of 50 times (out of 609 total times)

Are we done now Gary? Let me know when you're done poring over the raw data yourself.

Ok Bros and Worms...as you were.

I would like Gary to return and acknowledge this. Disco... you out there?

I think that if Trump had asked his voters to vote any way they could, I believe he would have won Georgia and Arizona, but I think they still lose in Pennsylvania and Michigan. I do not understand why he undertook the campaign to discredit the election instead of trying to win it against a beatable candidate. He dug his own grave to my everlasting chagrin (and my enormous taxes once Harris gets in in 2024).

highhoppingworm wrote:

I would like Gary to return and acknowledge this. Disco... you out there?

I checked it, and what they show is what happened.

Starting at around 11/4 16:00 Trump was winning by ~110,000 votes,

Between then and 11/7 23:52 when Biden was leading by ~10,000 votes,

The only vote updates with swing margins gain greater than 141 votes for either candidate were all multiples of ~4,800 margin in Biden's favor.

There were 17 of these where the multiple of 4,800 votes was between 0.967 and 1.038.

I divided by two when the vote margin was near 9,200, and by 4 when it was near 18,400 to normalize multiplier to a base value.

Before this series began the vote margins for each update looked random.

After this series there were other weird things going on where votes were moved back and forth between the candidates, but the end result of that was nil, leaving Biden with a ~10,000 vote margin.

I don't know what justthefacts is looking at, but his analysis is incoherent based on what I see.

Unless someone can explain how this happened, we have the smoking gun. This could not have happened by chance. It's just too clean.

I will double check the PA numbers as well, but I have no doubt I will reproduce their findings.