I wish we had a leader who puts The People of the Country over the Billionaires and Elites, I keep saying Putin is the Good Guy in this Conflict.
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boink_boink wrote:
Example from my own life: in my country media is constantly reporting about crimes committed by refugees. So I went to a gun store and bought a pistol. Now that I own a pistol, I am much more committed to perceive every refugee I see as a criminal. And only recently I've found out that refugee crimes make up absolutely insignificant portion of all crimes in my country.
This is what's happening on a global scale, I can imagine.
So, the moral of the story is that you're an idiot that makes rash decision without doing even a modicum of research beforehand.
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ceccione wrote:
Monkeys Skyping wrote:
Speaking of Wagner . . .
The Wagner Group’s outsized reliance on recruitment from penal colonies appears to be having increasing ramifications on Wagner’s combat capability. Head of the independent Russian human rights organization “Rus Sidyashchaya” (Russia Behind Bars) Olga Romanova claimed on January 23 that out of the assessed 50,000 prisoners that Wagner has recruited, only 10,000 are fighting on frontlines in Ukraine due to high casualty, surrender, and desertion rates.[5] ISW cannot independently confirm these figures, but they are very plausible considering Wagner’s model of using convicts as cannon fodder in highly attritional offensive operations.[6] The model Wagner has reportedly been using of retaining its highly trained long-serving mercenaries as leadership and Special Forces–type elements on top of a mass of untrained convicts also lends itself to high combat losses, surrenders, and desertions. The Wagner Group aim of reducing casualties among its non-convict mercenaries likely undermines its ability to retain and use effectively its large mass of convicts at scale and over time. ISW has previously reported on instances of relatives of Wagner group fighters receiving empty coffins after being told their loves ones died in Ukraine, suggesting that Wagner lacks the basic administrative and bureaucratic infrastructure to track and present its own losses, adding further credibility to the “Rus Sidyashchaya” estimate.
This is not from 2015, when the west realized how crap Azov was. Do you have a source on Wagner that at least matches the West's horror realization of Azov, circa 2015?
Oh look... Cecci's favorite Nazi has been committing war crimes around the globe for many years.
April 5, 2016
Utkin, whose call-sign reflects his apparent “commitment to the aesthetics and ideology of the Third Reich,” according to Fontanka, was involved in Russia’s first, ill-fated foray into the world of pseudo-private military operations as part of the “Slavonic Corps,” briefly deployed into Syria in 2013.December 12, 2016
Utkin and his men are believed to have carried out several killings of prominent militants, such as Alexander Bednov [Batman], Alexei Mozgovoi, Pavel Dremov and others.41 -
Adios m.f.
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US about to announce M1 Abrams for Ukraine. This was likely deal between Biden and Scholz to get Germany to greenlight Leopard 2s.
Makes sense. First, it demonstrates unity of NATO agreeing to send main battle tanks. Second, I never understood the "escalation" argument. If okay to send M2 Bradley IFVs, why not M1 Abrams MBTs.
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Mel--Rnr wrote:
US about to announce M1 Abrams for Ukraine. This was likely deal between Biden and Scholz to get Germany to greenlight Leopard 2s.
Makes sense. First, it demonstrates unity of NATO agreeing to send main battle tanks. Second, I never understood the "escalation" argument. If okay to send M2 Bradley IFVs, why not M1 Abrams MBTs.
Ukraine would be much better served if they received the German tanks. Ukraine has been supplied with similar weapons systems besides tanks from various countries. Having so many different types of the same weapon make maintenance and logistics very difficult. And the Abrams uses twice as much fuel as the UK and German tanks. And it's about twice as heavy as the European tanks. Many bridges in Ukraine aren't rated for that much weight.
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PutinLuvsNazis wrote:
So, the moral of the story is that you're an idiot that makes rash decision without doing even a modicum of research beforehand.
Most Americans don"t know how to spell research and have never heard the word modicum.
Yet, they do pay taxes to feed the military-industrial complex.
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Strike first! No mercy!
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no_deal wrote:
PutinLuvsNazis wrote:
So, the moral of the story is that you're an idiot that makes rash decision without doing even a modicum of research beforehand.
Most Americans don"t know how to spell research and have never heard the word modicum.
Yet, they do pay taxes to feed the military-industrial complex.
The median American is significantly smarter and more prosperous than whatever sh*thole country you come from. They vote for politicians who spend money on defense, because it's what they support.
The result of all of that "MIC" spending is a global system that has made the US the richest and most powerful country on the planet for the past 80 years.
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OH...TX wrote:
no_deal wrote:
Most Americans don"t know how to spell research and have never heard the word modicum.
Yet, they do pay taxes to feed the military-industrial complex.
The median American is significantly smarter and more prosperous than whatever sh*thole country you come from. They vote for politicians who spend money on defense, because it's what they support.
The result of all of that "MIC" spending is a global system that has made the US the richest and most powerful country on the planet for the past 80 years.
Some of the Putin apologists here who pretend to care about the "average American" seem to think that the MIC shares are all owned by wealthy people. In fact, they are publicly traded companies the many shares of which are owned by mutual funds in which average American invest, directly or via IRA and 401(k) directed investments. Sure, wealthy people can own more shares, but that is true of any alternative investment as well. So this isn't an argument for or against any particular investment, but it does point out that the repeated claims that MIC spending only helps the wealthy are either stupid or dishonest.
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So, are we headed towards WW3, or what? Need to start digging out the bunker.
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SeattleSilver wrote:
Some of the Putin apologists here who pretend to care about the "average American" seem to think that the MIC shares are all owned by wealthy people. . .
Plus LetsRun posters all have seven figure salaries, supermodel wives, sub-14 5k times and zero empathy for those "average Americans" who have sacrificed the gift.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
ceccione wrote:
Excellent breakdown.
Except most americans don't gladly give it. They are not smart enough to know what they are, as individuals, actually giving. For every dollar given to the IRS, $0.53 cents goes to military. The amount is small enough every month to never alarm anyone of the perpetual scam being run on them via their taxes. This is the only way they do nothing about it. Bury it and hide it.
NATO is the employee of the month for the pentagon's sales division, every month. It's all they are, the sales division for the MIC. Mission creep so bad, NATO missions are in Africa, because the USSR is in Africa now. Yup.
The military is a very small part of the budget. How exactly are you coming up with 53% of revenue going to the military???
Over 60 cents of every dollar goes to entitlements and debt service. Less than 15 cents of every dollar goes to the defense budget.
Here’s what %53 of your federal tax military waste comes to in real life.
Let's take LR’s home state for our first example: Oregon
Average amount of federal income taxes for Oregonians: $5,931.90. 53% goes to military = $3,143
Paying 80% less (what most countries pay on their military) of $3,143 saves you $2,514 a year
You would save $2,514yr. / $200 month
Significant for average americans living paycheck to paycheck.
Someone lied here, saying their healthcare costs them AND their partner in america, $200 combined, for two people. Well, $200 saved a month would pay for two people's healthcare in america, according to them.
Do people in Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, China, Russia, Somalia really matter to you so much that you give them $200 a month?
Really?
you can't find these places on a map.
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You'd have a point if Ukraine or Russia were as bad as the america.
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HappyJack wrote:
Mel--Rnr wrote:
US about to announce M1 Abrams for Ukraine. This was likely deal between Biden and Scholz to get Germany to greenlight Leopard 2s.
Makes sense. First, it demonstrates unity of NATO agreeing to send main battle tanks. Second, I never understood the "escalation" argument. If okay to send M2 Bradley IFVs, why not M1 Abrams MBTs.
Ukraine would be much better served if they received the German tanks. Ukraine has been supplied with similar weapons systems besides tanks from various countries. Having so many different types of the same weapon make maintenance and logistics very difficult. And the Abrams uses twice as much fuel as the UK and German tanks. And it's about twice as heavy as the European tanks. Many bridges in Ukraine aren't rated for that much weight.
They will lose new tanks before they figure out how to use and maintain them.
Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), howitzers, air defense systems, fighter jets, and the like, provide peak capacity only if the users are fully trained and experienced. Further, even with qualified operators and crews, the vehicles must be supplied
with sufficient fuel and ammunition, maintained properly and routinely, and expertly employed at the crew, platoon, company, and battalion levels. A breakdown in any of these areas and even the best of equipment becomes a burning hulk in war.Ukraine would be better served if america did not push them into war for its own energy / MIC profits:
Biden vows US will ‘end’ Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline if Ukraine invaded by RussiaNord Stream pipeline carrying Russian gas was blown up in an intentional 'gross sabotage,' Sweden saysWhy did Polish MEP post “Thank you USA” along with image of damaged Nord Stream pipeline?05 -
Our next military waste spending example: California
Average amount of federal income taxes for Californians: $8,244yr.
53% goes to military = $4,369
Paying 80% less (what most countries pay on their military) of $4,369 saves you $3,495 a year
As a California resident, that would save you $291 every month if america paid what most countries pay on military.
Someone lied here, saying their healthcare in america costs them AND their partner, $200 combined, for two people. $291 would pay for two people's healthcare in america and give them an extra $91 a month after that, according to posters here.
Do people in Ukraine, Russia, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, China, Russia, Somalia... really matter to you so much that you lose $291 a month?
Really?
you can't find these places on a map.04 -
Au contraire, I can find those places on a map.
Here's a piece of life advice, give up posting. You're boring me, and probably boring a lot of others. How are you not boring yourself yet?
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ceccione wrote:
Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), howitzers, air defense systems, fighter jets, and the like, provide peak capacity only if the users are fully trained and experienced.
They don't need "peak capacity". They merely need to be better than Russians that weren't smart enough to evade the draft.
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Misterkrinkle wrote:
Au contraire, I can find those places on a map.
Here's a piece of life advice, give up posting. You're boring me, and probably boring a lot of others. How are you not boring yourself yet?
Seriously. He keeps posting the same sh#t again and again and again hoping to sway people's opinion. The dude doesn't even live here because he hates the US. He is a one man propaganda machine.
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You’re not American. Why do you give a f@ck? We are American, and we don’t give a f@ck.
We want Russia out of Ukraine. We did the same thing in WWII when we ran the Germans out of France, Holland, etc.
Here’s a tip for ya. Don’t f*ck with our allies and friends. We will f@ck you up.
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