Pro-Russian militias weren't the problem, they were the response to the problem.
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Your "kick me" sign is cattywampus again. Get some new tape and put it back, doofus. You are a glutton for punishment. Lol.
All evidence suggests Russia and pro-Russian militias were the problem. Your willful ignorance of such basic facts is really astounding to observe. Cue whataboutism and strawman arguments from ceccione in 3… 2… 1…
"suggests" is your evidence?? Suggests you are inbred
No evidence proves Russian or pro-Russian militia started killing civilians on their side before Neo-Nazi's not on their side started killing them.
All evidence is Russia entered Ukraine to protect pro-russian civilians. There is no evidence that Russia entered Ukraine to start killing pro-russian civilians, doofus
I just straightened out your "kick me" sign again. There's a line of people behind me ready to have a go. sorry you can't sit down but man, the price you pay for being stupid while trying to lie.
Just want to bump this because I think it's not well-known, and fascinating. it's how the kremlin explained to the world its invastion of Finland in 1939.
It's almost word for word what the kremlin says about its invasion of Ukraine in 2022.
Which shows you...RU is on a centuries-old mission to grow its empire and sphere of influence. It is not a nation like others. it is something far worse and a proven threat to the world.
Justification Soviet General Secretary Joseph Stalin regarded it a disappointment that the Soviet Union could not halt the Finnish Revolution.[58] He thought that the pro-Finland movement in Karelia posed a direct threat to Leningrad and that the area and defences of Finland could be used to invade the Soviet Union or restrict fleet movements.[59] Soviet propaganda then painted Finland's leadership as a "vicious and reactionary fascist clique". Field Marshal Mannerheim and Väinö Tanner, the leader of the Finnish Social Democratic Party, were targeted for particular scorn.[60] When Stalin gained absolute power through the Great Purge of 1938, the Soviets changed their foreign policy toward Finland and began to pursue the reconquest of the provinces of Tsarist Russia that had been lost during the chaos of the October Revolution of 1917 and the Russian Civil War almost two decades earlier. Soviet leaders believed that the old empire's extended borders provided territorial security and wanted Leningrad, only 32 km (20 mi) from the Finnish border, to enjoy a similar level of security against the rising power of Nazi Germany.[61][62]
All evidence suggests Russia and pro-Russian militias were the problem. Your willful ignorance of such basic facts is really astounding to observe. Cue whataboutism and strawman arguments from ceccione in 3… 2… 1…
"suggests" is your evidence?? Suggests you are inbred
No evidence proves Russian or pro-Russian militia started killing civilians on their side before Neo-Nazi's not on their side started killing them.
All evidence is Russia entered Ukraine to protect pro-russian civilians. There is no evidence that Russia entered Ukraine to start killing pro-russian civilians, doofus
I just straightened out your "kick me" sign again. There's a line of people behind me ready to have a go. sorry you can't sit down but man, the price you pay for being stupid while trying to lie.
F*ck you're an idiot.
Russia invaded Crimea on Feb. 27th, 2014. Long before the Azov battalion was even formed.
On 22–23 February, Russian President Vladimir Putin[110] convened an all-night meeting with security services chiefs to discuss extrication of the deposed Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych, and at the end of that meeting Putin had remarked that "we must start working on returning Crimea to Russia".[4][5][6]
Even Putin admits that Russia invaded Crimea as a pure land grab. Not for some idealistic reasons of protecting pro-Russian civilians.
Further,
According to the United Nations and multiple NGOs, Russia is responsible for multiple human rights abuses, including torture, arbitrary detention, forced disappearances and instances of discrimination, including persecution of Crimean Tatars in Crimea since the illegal annexation.[295][296] The UN Human Rights Office has documented multiple human rights violations in Crimea. Noting that minority Crimean Tatars have been disproportionately affected.[297][298] In December 2016, the UN General Assembly voted on a resolution on human rights in occupied Crimea. It called on the Russian Federation "to take all measures necessary to bring an immediate end to all abuses against residents of Crimea, in particular reported discriminatory measures and practices, arbitrary detentions, torture and other cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment, and to revoke all discriminatory legislation". It also urged Russia to "immediately release Ukrainian citizens who were unlawfully detained and judged without regard for elementary standards of justice".[299]
In March 2014, Human Rights Watch reported that pro-Ukrainian activists and journalists had been attacked, abducted, and tortured by "self-defense" groups.[300] Some Crimeans were simply "disappeared" with no explanation.[301]
At least one civilian, a Crimean Tatar named Refat Chubarov was abducted, tortured, and killed by pro-Russian Nazis in Crimea in early March, 2014.
So, there is therefore NO EVIDENCE that Russia entered Ukraine to "protect pro-Russian civilians", but ample evidence that Putin is an imperialist a**bag that invaded Ukraine because he knew Russia's relevance was waning.
United Nations reported Thousands more civilians killed by the Ukrainian military's Neo-Nazi's. When your number matches my number, you'll have a place in the conservation. Get to work.
Until then, shut your pie hole and take a seat, doofus
Neo-Nazi forces from the notorious Azov Battalion were said to have suffered a heavy defeat in Ukraine on Thursday as fierce fighting continues. The Donetsk People’s Republic militia claimed to have killed one of the fascist...
No evidence proves Russian or pro-Russian militia started killing civilians on their side before Neo-Nazi's not on their side started killing them.
I guess this is unclear what you're asking for. Are you looking for cases where Russian or pro-Russian militia killed pro-Russian civilians in Donbas? That seems like a very specific, and not particularly relevant case.
The more interesting question is which side started killing civilians first. I provided evidence that pro-Russians killed civilians in Crimea first. That is pro-Russians STARTED killing civilians, refuting your claims and Putin's claims that pro-Russians needed protecting, when they were the ones participating in violence.
Now, in the 8 years from 2014 to 2022, there were 3,404 civilian deaths in the Russo-Ukrainian war according to the UN. Most of these occurred in 2014 and 2015. Roughly half of these were due caused by pro-Ukrainian forces and roughly half are attributed to pro-Russian forces (including 298 on MH17). This was accompanied by numerous war crimes by pro-Russian forces throughout the Donbas and Crimea according to Amnesty International.
Putin, as a master strategist, has now caused the death of at least 6,952 civilians in Ukraine by invading (in only 11 months) - the overwhelming majority due to Russia. Of course, this was accompanied by tens of thousands of additional war crimes by Russian forces.
So, now I've shown that pro-Russian Nazis STARTED killing civilians in Ukraine. I've shown that Russian forces are responsible for the majority of the 10,000+ civilians killed in Ukraine over the last 9 years. And, most importantly, I've shown that you're a complete f*cking idiot.
And since Artyom Murakhovsky was killed while defending Ukraine at the end of March, 2022 (yes, you're posting an almost year old article), Russia has lost tens of thousands of square kilometers of territory, more than 1000 main battle tanks, more than 1000 other armored combat vehicles, the Moskva sank, and tens of thousands of Russian soldiers have been killed. Russian forces also committed tens of thousands of war crimes in Ukraine, including rape, torture, and execution of civilians.
p.s. Isn't he also one of your people, as you claim to support the people of Ukraine (and he was a person of Ukraine)? Or were you lying when you said you supported the people of Ukraine?
So incredibly wrong about everything that Russia sponsors him.
George Galloway also had this hot take:
Galloway opposed the 1991 Gulf War and was critical of the effect that the subsequent sanctions had on the people of Iraq. In his book I'm Not the Only One (2004), Galloway expresses the opinion that Kuwait is "clearly a part of the greater Iraqi whole, stolen from the motherland by perfidious Albion", although Christopher Hitchens claimed the state existed before Iraq had a name.[51]
Sorry, George. Looks like facts weren't on your side in 1991 and aren't on your side now.
You seem to be under a delusion that if you repeat your strawman about American healthcare often enough, people here will believe it.
The facts are that: (1) the US could provide universal healthcare (or expanded healthcare) and support Ukraine; and (2) the US would not provide universal healthcare (or expanded healthcare) even if it wasn't supporting Ukraine. There simply is not the political will (or even clear popular support) for universal healthcare. While I would prefer that the US implement universal healthcare, I am not stupid enough to think that the failure to do so is tied to the support for Ukraine. And I note that your ramblings on the topic haven't convinced anyone else here either.
strawman is killing 50k a year in america whether you like it or not.
(1) I'd like to agree with you, as universal healthcare is cheaper, but can't. Problem is transitioning to a new system.
america is too weak to join the world on healthcare so it will continue to kill nearly 50k of its own civilians every year to preserve the right to donate weapons to wars that have no benefit for average americans. The goal is to kill people abroad AND kill americans at home. Profit doesn't care who dies.
(2) correct. america is too weak (greedy) to protect its own people
Majority of average americans want it. lawmakers are paid off to block it.
Search: "plutocracy" to learn more about healthcare in america and the military industrial complex
You don't understand how to use strawman, but at least you have implicitly conceded that your healthcare point is irrelevant to support for Ukraine.
So, of the couple of Russia defenders here, one is a Soviet loving communist and the other is a blatant anti-Semite.
Then there's the occasional puppet/troll or hard core alt-right anti-government type that pops in now and then.
Makes sense that this little group supports a murderous, lying, authoritarian dictator in Vladimir Putin.
Calling people antisemites has lost its power as it has been way overused for so long
Winding these people up! So easy to do. Isra-hell created the same ghettos they were once victims of. They are the gestapo of Palestine. They became the Nazi's they once despised.
Their victim card is rolled out so they can hide their atrocities and so others can look away.
Let's start the Official Yemen vs Saudi Arabia War Thread and watch these fake sympathy losers disappear after pointing out america's complicity and orchestration.
strawman is killing 50k a year in america whether you like it or not.
(1) I'd like to agree with you, as universal healthcare is cheaper, but can't. Problem is transitioning to a new system.
america is too weak to join the world on healthcare so it will continue to kill nearly 50k of its own civilians every year to preserve the right to donate weapons to wars that have no benefit for average americans. The goal is to kill people abroad AND kill americans at home. Profit doesn't care who dies.
(2) correct. america is too weak (greedy) to protect its own people
Majority of average americans want it. lawmakers are paid off to block it.
Search: "plutocracy" to learn more about healthcare in america and the military industrial complex
You don't understand how to use strawman, but at least you have implicitly conceded that your healthcare point is irrelevant to support for Ukraine.
When you make your next overpriced payment, lose your coverage, take a out loans / go bankrupt over costs, or pay an annual deductible (which doesn't exist in my country), maybe you'll make the connection. Doubt it. You are too busy REALLY caring about people in a place you can't find on a map to care about your own (and OTHERS) economic well-being in america.
Now shut up and send billions more to Vlad and friends
And since Artyom Murakhovsky was killed while defending Ukraine at the end of March, 2022 (yes, you're posting an almost year old article), Russia has lost tens of thousands of square kilometers of territory, more than 1000 main battle tanks, more than 1000 other armored combat vehicles, the Moskva sank, and tens of thousands of Russian soldiers have been killed. Russian forces also committed tens of thousands of war crimes in Ukraine, including rape, torture, and execution of civilians.
p.s. Isn't he also one of your people, as you claim to support the people of Ukraine (and he was a person of Ukraine)? Or were you lying when you said you supported the people of Ukraine?
