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KCgeezer wrote:

Organic chicken is still chicken. Organic olive oil is still olive oil. Organic cheese is still cheese.

Plant-based, low-fat diets reverse cardiovascular diseases. They are 85 percent less contributory to climate change. And if you eat only plants, rather than animals that have eaten a shitload of grains, you probably won't be exposed to as much GMOs anyway.

I agree the use of Roundup is disturbing in many ways, but the way to kill Monsanto is to opt out of the economy it largely enables, which is animal agriculture.

Here's a guy whose YouTube channel I like because he's amusing and crams a lot of science into them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb1_kY7sWZk&t=124s

Just watched the video - as Spock would say: "fascinating." A lot of interesting science there and heart disease is still the #1 killer in the U.S.

I thought the testimonials at the end were insightful especially the guy who had an ejaction fraction of only "27," needed triple-bypass surgery and could barely walk. Three months later on the plant-based diet his EF is near normal, can walk long distances without tiring and has endless energy - all without surgical intervention...simply amazing.

I presume you're on a plant-based diet? - 100% or any small amounts of animal protein, dairy or fish? How do you feel on the diet? Any increase in injuries and if experiencing any injuries, how is the recovery?

On a plant-based diet what would be some good sources of protein? Since most of us runners & fitness enthusiasts are tearing down muscle tissue with workouts, both running wise and in the gym strength training, can you get adequate amounts of protein for the re-building process with a plant-based diet?

Just An Old Fitness Runner wrote:

I presume you're on a plant-based diet? - 100% or any small amounts of animal protein, dairy or fish? How do you feel on the diet? Any increase in injuries and if experiencing any injuries, how is the recovery?

On a plant-based diet what would be some good sources of protein? Since most of us runners & fitness enthusiasts are tearing down muscle tissue with workouts, both running wise and in the gym strength training, can you get adequate amounts of protein for the re-building process with a plant-based diet?

I am! I get protein from whole grains, nuts, beans and greens (including that old standby, spinach). My blood protein levels are normal, in fact the epidemiology suggests that vegans have somewhat higher blood protein levels than vegetarians or omnivores. Mike covers that in one of his videos.

After years of cutting out meats and eating more whole foods, the last step was getting rid of dairy, which arguably is the worst animal-ag offender pound for pound. Guess what the best tasting dairy substitutes are? Nut-based. Protein wasn't that hard to get before, now it's a cinch.

Whole cultures live on plant-based diets, or nearly, and produce Olympic-caliber athletes. As for little ol' me, I've discovered I don't have to practice portion control longer, eat all I want, have the nutrients I need to do my workouts, and maintain my racing weight pretty much all the time. (Rest and not overtraining are how I avoid injury, not diet.)

Though we went plant-based purely for ethical reasons, the health benefits are definitely a plus.

AK-67 wrote:

Using your analogy, I believe the scientists who study endurance training topics have a better understanding than the coach whose research into that area is necessarily limited.

Lets Think This One Through wrote:

So, how can Canova's knowledge & expertise be "necessarily limited?" You should go and read some of his posts (he been active on a few hot topic threads lately) and tell him that that "scientists who study endurance training topics" have a better understanding of endurance training that he does. ?

Canova knows a lot more than most coaches, but he doesn’t know everything. Yes, his knowledge is limited.

video starts slow but pretty good running form coach teaching technique:

https://youtu.be/9FtisIchNL8

http://www.diazhumanperformance.com/index.html

Allen1959,

Congratulations on the encouraging news about your knee! Good luck with your rehab.

I'm staying out of the food debate. I ignore the experts and eat what I like. I''m doing quite well on chocolate and wine.

SCgal,

Funny. My wife last let me cooks the first week of our marriage. The fare was a combination of Rice-a-Roni, canned tuna, and packaged Chinese stir fry veggies. Later I learned she got very sick on a trip to Hawaii after a similar meal. So for the remaining forty-four plus years she has been in charge of the kitchen. I do contribute in a way, after my Saturday run I have my shopping list for Costco. If I started dictating what was on the menu, well, it would not fly. I ran fast on her meals as a young man and as a master. If there is anything I could do a better job of it would be skipping second helpings.

Igy

SCgal wrote:

Congratulations on the encouraging news about your knee! Good luck with your rehab. ...

Thanks, SCgal. Also, I plan to emulate your diet. Well, actually no change necessary.

SCgal wrote:

I'm staying out of the food debate. I ignore the experts and eat what I like. I''m doing quite well on chocolate and wine.

Very wise. I've found that diet and religion are the two topics on which one generally cannot have an intelligent, rational discussion, even among people who are otherwise intelligent and rational. Let's please keep religion out of this thread.

amkelley wrote:

SCgal wrote:

I'm staying out of the food debate. I ignore the experts and eat what I like. I''m doing quite well on chocolate and wine.

Very wise. I've found that diet and religion are the two topics on which one generally cannot have an intelligent, rational discussion, even among people who are otherwise intelligent and rational. Let's please keep religion out of this thread.

Newsflash: It's not just those topics but virtually everything related to training, mileage, speedwork, HIIT, injuries, recovery, rehab, strength training, cross training, hobby jogging, shoes, compression tights, running watches, supplements, genetics, doping, etc., etc., etc., on this forum.

Have you read some of these threads on this forum? ? Hostile, confrontational, inflammatory debate where insults and profanity are thrown routinely. I always thought it was just the "college & HS kids" trolling after they've completed their homework, lol, but quite a few of these aggressive posters identify themselves as "older" or "middle-aged" runners."

A recent example was someone posted a controversial study that "icing" is no longer effective for recovery, rehab, treatment of acute injuries, etc., which created a firestorm. What started off as a mild discussion exacerbated into a hostile debate with all the insults and profanity.

But older people get pissed off at some of these threads too. Quite a while back someone started a thread on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with middle-aged men which I thought was an interesting topic considering how prevalent TRT use is with all of these "low-T centers" cropping up everywhere these days. I also personally know a few guys in the Masters club I belong to and quite a few others in the gym that I lift at who are using TRT through a low-T clinic. Well...what do you know - the hostile posters came out in full force identifying themselves as masters competitors accusing TRT users of cheating...and the fight was on. Lol.

Same as it ever was........

SCgal wrote:

I'm staying out of the food debate. I ignore the experts and eat what I like. I''m doing quite well on chocolate and wine.

Add some ice cream to that and I'm in. ?

I personally like the SEEfood diet; I SEE food and eat it! ?

Funny stuff on jogging and eating doughnuts (this comedian is a riot ?):

SCgal wrote:

I ignore the experts and eat what I like. I''m doing quite well on chocolate and wine.

I knew I liked you.

More on walking, on a running site kind of like diet, religion and politics:

https://www.outsideonline.com/2342346/walking-might-be-best-exercise-there?fbclid=IwAR2fYd57Y_lZKyqBjcfg4HR69xwyoMKCmRHuNWoYxBhpsHoIcYV96EybdpM

Here's my take wrote:

Have you read some of these threads on this forum? ? Hostile, confrontational, inflammatory debate where insults and profanity are thrown routinely. I always thought it was just the "college & HS kids" trolling after they've completed their homework, lol, but quite a few of these aggressive posters identify themselves as "older" or "middle-aged" runners."

I dunno, whenever one of these so-called flame wars start I always think of

Moving on ...

Has anyone here done European parkruns? I know DaveH does 'em in D.C. We're spending May in Britain and Germany, and it's looking like parkruns are my best bet for getting in speed work. They run them in both Manchester and Berlin, where we'll be the first two weekends, then the Edinburgh Half on the third.

Parkruns haven't made it to KC yet, so the whole concept is new to me. But it sounds fun!

Do a Cotswold fartlek....

I had to look that up!

https://www.joggingroutes.org/2013/01/cotswolds-roman-odyssey-running-route.html

KCgeezer wrote:

Here's my take wrote:

Have you read some of these threads on this forum? ? Hostile, confrontational, inflammatory debate where insults and profanity are thrown routinely. I always thought it was just the "college & HS kids" trolling after they've completed their homework, lol, but quite a few of these aggressive posters identify themselves as "older" or "middle-aged" runners."

I dunno, whenever one of these so-called flame wars start I always think of

https://youtu.be/IPKs2Quk6Ts

Too funny. A lot of experts here and I’m just a rube and nth tier interloper, but hang out for the entertainment value.

KC, I've run several parkruns in England when I'm there teaching in the spring. I think they're lots of fun and a great way to meet people with a common interest. There were people of all abilities at the ones I've done with a very supportive and festive environment. I highly recommend running one while you're abroad. I'll be running one in Ormskirk (near Manchester) on May 11. Will you have a car? Maybe we can meet there.

SCgal wrote:

I'll be running one in Ormskirk (near Manchester) on May 11. Will you have a car? Maybe we can meet there.

That would be great, and that's the day! Unfort, we're carless and it doesn't look good getting to Edge Hill from city center (or more likely, Salford). I'm thinking Heaton Park will be the most convenient (and convivial - 500 people a week!).

There's exactly one parkrun in Berlin - Hasenheide, just started in 2018.