Guelph Implodes

rekrunner wrote:

Man Overboard wrote:

Focus on the facts at hand and tell us why a 17/18 year old who was intelligent enough to go to university wouldn't understand that getting romantically involved with a married man was morally wrong.

Generally we do not legislate morality.

The important distinction here is that are rules and laws prohibiting certain behavior from a coach that does not exist for the athlete.

MB didn't break any rules or laws.

DST did by failing to meet the burdens and obligations and responsibilities required and expected of a coach in charge of children. No amount of victim blaming can cure that failing.

The University also failed in 2006.

Again...the only true victims in this saga are DSTs wife & kids.

DST's behavior was appalling. So was MB's. Both made reprehensible choices.

I'm more than happy to agree that DST's behavior was more appalling than MB's, I agree they are not equivalent.

You do realize that DST told MB to have sex with him or he’d cut her off from contact. How was MB’s behaviour a problem, again? Oh yeah, you think teen girls are nothing but seductresses and the power of the male doesn’t exist.

Still trollin’... I should just call you Moulton

Guelph Alum wrote:

You do realize that DST told MB to have sex with him or he’d cut her off from contact. How was MB’s behaviour a problem, again? Oh yeah, you think teen girls are nothing but seductresses and the power of the male doesn’t exist.

Still trollin’... I should just call you Moulton

Globe and Mail is still working on updates. They are asking questions now about AC and Moulton .

go away wrote:

Doesn’t matter if/how the coach is paid.

The coach can afford to buy extra "bling" during Valentine's Day to tempt a student. This is an abuse of power. The money is coming directly from taxpayers or the student's parents. This is an unethical use of funding.

The student may only get an allowance from her parents and would not be able to afford the jewelry or iphone, etc.

The coach is also able to buy alcohol or tobacco for the underage student. This would clearly be an abuse of a position of authority.

Anybody here have a comment about the jump coach let go at guelph? Timing is suspicious before provincial championships

fred wrote:

Tunt wrote:

3. Are you having a stroke? "Uses fascist verbiage when it has no answers." doesn't

The " it " was you.

Classy as always Fred Urie.

I think that with this story being front page news, that if anyone else had an actual real complaint about how they were treated under Daves coaching, they would come forward to AC or another governing body. And we would be talking about it. Megan herself never made an official complaint as far as I can tell. If there were others we would have heard by now. Thats my opinion anyway.

shake my head wrote:

I think that with this story being front page news, that if anyone else had an actual real complaint about how they were treated under Daves coaching, they would come forward to AC or another governing body. And we would be talking about it. Megan herself never made an official complaint as far as I can tell. If there were others we would have heard by now. Thats my opinion anyway.

We wouldn't have necessarily heard by now. If a complaint was made to AC or another body, we won't hear anything until a report is released. In the case of the Ottawa Lions, it took several months for the commissioners office to release the report.

keep shaking ur head shitforbrains. It was a complaint from another athlete that got the predator fired and who knows how many other athletes got suppressed over the years.

DST is a predator. For sure he did it with more of his athletes. Either that or he goes on vacation to places like Thailand.

Which begs the question ... where is he now?

Dear SMH,

I am shaking my head reading your post. Megan didn’t file an official complaint because both AC and Guelph did not have a process for either back in 2006. The only way to complain was to talk to a staff member at AC, for example, which her father did and was ignored.

Megan was brave to tell her father and I commend her for that as it must’ve been very difficult.

I know the AC Commissioner has spoken to many Guelph Alumni including Hilary and Trent Stellingwerff. The final report isn’t expected until Sept. 2020. We have no idea how many more complaints the commissioner has received and we won’t find out until the report is released. No point in speculating.

jimmyx wrote:

No the courts agree with me, well actually lets not get ahead of ourselves, the police agree with me as they have not charged DST.

Have you been contacted by Guelph police at all?

Yes, I have been. Actually prior to our conversation, I was on the phone with a woman in their Special Victims Unit, and she just wanted to make me aware of my options. I mean, which I've obviously been aware of the last 16 years. And, you know, I told her that I had no desire to press any charges or take the legal route. And she was very respectful of that and just let me know that the door was open if I ever did choose to do that. I just feel like the resolution is happening on the levels that it needs to for me.

Man Overboard wrote:Again...the only true victims in this saga are DSTs wife & kids.

DST's behavior was appalling. So was MB's. Both made reprehensible choices.

I'm more than happy to agree that DST's behavior was more appalling than MB's, I agree they are not equivalent.

I don't know -- it sounded like MB had a promising career that tragically ended, and she ended up in the hospital with suicidal thoughts. That sounds like a candidate for a true victim more than DSTs wife and kids can claim.

Under the circumstances, I cannot understand any suggestion that MB made any reprehensible or appalling choices. This was a direct consequence of the position she should never have been put in.

Guelph Alum wrote:

You do realize that DST told MB to have sex with him or he’d cut her off from contact. How was MB’s behaviour a problem, again? Oh yeah, you think teen girls are nothing but seductresses and the power of the male doesn’t exist.

Still trollin’... I should just call you Moulton

I've no idea about "Moulton" .

Your comment begs the question: if MB was really just trying to get away from DST...and there wasn't (significant) underlying consent for a romantic relationship...why wouldn't she have been grateful to cut off contact? (This is where your Graham James analogy falls apart, too).

rekrunner wrote:Under the circumstances, I cannot understand any suggestion that MB made any reprehensible or appalling choices. This was a direct consequence of the position she should never have been put in.

She willingly slept with another woman's husband. She put herself in that position, and that choice was ultimately hers to make. Or do you think 17 year-olds are incapable of understanding the difference between right and wrong?

Man Overboard wrote:

rekrunner wrote:Under the circumstances, I cannot understand any suggestion that MB made any reprehensible or appalling choices. This was a direct consequence of the position she should never have been put in.

She willingly slept with another woman's husband. She put herself in that position, and that choice was ultimately hers to make. Or do you think 17 year-olds are incapable of understanding the difference between right and wrong?

so a talented and vulnerable 17 yo runner was coerced by a married man who controlled her athletics career into having sex.

and you think she's at fault?

What years was Trent Stellingwerff involved with DST and Guelph? Was DST really his idol?

Man Overboard wrote:

rekrunner wrote:Under the circumstances, I cannot understand any suggestion that MB made any reprehensible or appalling choices. This was a direct consequence of the position she should never have been put in.

She willingly slept with another woman's husband. She put herself in that position, and that choice was ultimately hers to make. Or do you think 17 year-olds are incapable of understanding the difference between right and wrong?

Sorry, we are not on the same page.

She did not do it willingly.

She was put in that position by her coach, who had a position of authority over her.

The choice was not hers to make.

But, yes, 17 year-olds are capable of understanding, just not always capable of saying no to a more powerful authority figure and insistent 38 year old man.