This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Background Long COVID is a post-severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection syndrome characterised by not recovering for several weeks or months following the acute episode. The effectiveness of COV...
Vaccination with at least two doses of COVID-19 vaccine was associated with a substantial decrease in reporting the most common post-acute COVID-19 symptoms, bringing it back to baseline. Our results suggest that, in addition to reducing the risk of acute illness, COVID-19 vaccination may have a protective effect against long COVID.
Birkoboy thinks he and he alone can steer the conversation.
Birkoboy is dumb as dirt
You just can't bear to admit you've been caught lying yet again.I like posting it on each page so everyone can see what a lying senile old man you are.
Which seems good and long lasting and cheap, lots of evidence below.https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00676-9/fulltextBiolog...
...individuals with COVID-19 are at increased risk of incident cardiovascular disease spanning several categories, including cerebrovascular disorders, dysrhythmias, ischemic and non-ischemic heart disease, pericarditis, myocarditis, heart failure and thromboembolic disease. These risks and burdens were evident even among individuals who were not hospitalized during the acute phase of the infection and increased in a graded fashion according to the care setting during the acute phase (non-hospitalized, hospitalized and admitted to intensive care). Our results provide evidence that the risk and 1-year burden of cardiovascular disease in survivors of acute COVID-19 are substantial.
Individuals with COVID-19 are at increased long-term risk for a wide range of cardiovascular disorders, even for individuals who were not hospitalized during the acute phase of the infection.
...individuals with COVID-19 are at increased risk of incident cardiovascular disease spanning several categories, including cerebrovascular disorders, dysrhythmias, ischemic and non-ischemic heart disease, pericarditis, myocarditis, heart failure and thromboembolic disease. These risks and burdens were evident even among individuals who were not hospitalized during the acute phase of the infection and increased in a graded fashion according to the care setting during the acute phase (non-hospitalized, hospitalized and admitted to intensive care). Our results provide evidence that the risk and 1-year burden of cardiovascular disease in survivors of acute COVID-19 are substantial.
...individuals with COVID-19 are at increased risk of incident cardiovascular disease spanning several categories, including cerebrovascular disorders, dysrhythmias, ischemic and non-ischemic heart disease, pericarditis, myocarditis, heart failure and thromboembolic disease. These risks and burdens were evident even among individuals who were not hospitalized during the acute phase of the infection and increased in a graded fashion according to the care setting during the acute phase (non-hospitalized, hospitalized and admitted to intensive care). Our results provide evidence that the risk and 1-year burden of cardiovascular disease in survivors of acute COVID-19 are substantial.
So now that the vaccine obviously works against Omicron severe disease (and 3 shots works against mild infection) — where do we go from here? Antivaxxers will continue to die by the thousand daily for the near future. Is this the new normal?
Are we ok with deadly propaganda chucking another few 100k lives away?
Harambe, vaccinated individuals are dying in greater numbers than unvaccinated individuals at this point. Very few of COVID deaths now are unvaccinated, because quite frankly hardly any exist in ages that are at a significant risk of death. In the most recent UKHSA vaccine surveillance report, 87.4% of deaths were vaccinated individuals (59% were triple jabbed).
So now that the vaccine obviously works against Omicron severe disease (and 3 shots works against mild infection) — where do we go from here? Antivaxxers will continue to die by the thousand daily for the near future. Is this the new normal?
Are we ok with deadly propaganda chucking another few 100k lives away?
I hate it when I die daily. Really interferes with my training.
Harambe, vaccinated individuals are dying in greater numbers than unvaccinated individuals at this point. Very few of COVID deaths now are unvaccinated, because quite frankly hardly any exist in ages that are at a significant risk of death. In the most recent UKHSA vaccine surveillance report, 87.4% of deaths were vaccinated individuals (59% were triple jabbed).
And holding true to form, vaccinated individuals are still getting infected with COVID at much higher rates than the unvaccinated.
One thing that is also noteworthy in the Week 7 publication is that they are now comparing boosted rates instead of double vaxxed rates in the Table 13 data, as the differential between those with any vaccination and the unvaccinated is hardly discernable (because over 90% of the population of the UK has COVID antibodies at this point, either through vaccination or prior infection), so now they are focusing on the boosted to try to show efficiency. Even looking at the boosted rates, there is hardly any difference in hospitalization rates between the unvaccinated and boosted in the 18-49 demographic [in that demographic, the rate among those with any vaccination is actually higher (9.25 per 100k) among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated (8.84 per 100k)]. If you compare data between the unvaccinated and vaccinated, you find some surprising things:
Case Rates 18+: Vaccinated - 2,883.55 per 100k, Unvaccinated - 1,390.13 per 100k
Hospitalizations 18+: Vaccinated - 17.91 per 100k, Unvaccinated - 15.62 per 100k
Deaths 18+: Vaccinated - 15.80 per 100k, Unvaccinated - 9.74 per 100k
Obviously, there is a little bit of Simpson's Paradox when you look at that broad of an age range, but as I noted above, there are actually age groups where the vaccinated hospitalization rate is higher for vaccinated individuals than unvaccinated individuals. For the 18-29 age group, the vaccinated hospitalization rate (7.87) is higher than the unvaccinated hospitalization rate (7.34). For the 30-39 age group, the vaccinated hospitalization rate (10.45) is higher than the unvaccinated hospitalization rate (9.68).
When you get into the higher age groups, where the vaccination rate is extremely high, you run into another statistical issue, whereby unvaccinated rates are elevated because the denominator is so low, so any cases, hospitalizations or deaths wrongly attributed to the unvaccinated category (which happens, even with the best database management due to human error) dramatically inflate unvaccinated numbers.
Harambe, vaccinated individuals are dying in greater numbers than unvaccinated individuals at this point. Very few of COVID deaths now are unvaccinated, because quite frankly hardly any exist in ages that are at a significant risk of death. In the most recent UKHSA vaccine surveillance report, 87.4% of deaths were vaccinated individuals (59% were triple jabbed).
And holding true to form, vaccinated individuals are still getting infected with COVID at much higher rates than the unvaccinated.
One thing that is also noteworthy in the Week 7 publication is that they are now comparing boosted rates instead of double vaxxed rates in the Table 13 data, as the differential between those with any vaccination and the unvaccinated is hardly discernable (because over 90% of the population of the UK has COVID antibodies at this point, either through vaccination or prior infection), so now they are focusing on the boosted to try to show efficiency. Even looking at the boosted rates, there is hardly any difference in hospitalization rates between the unvaccinated and boosted in the 18-49 demographic [in that demographic, the rate among those with any vaccination is actually higher (9.25 per 100k) among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated (8.84 per 100k)]. If you compare data between the unvaccinated and vaccinated, you find some surprising things:
Case Rates 18+: Vaccinated - 2,883.55 per 100k, Unvaccinated - 1,390.13 per 100k
Hospitalizations 18+: Vaccinated - 17.91 per 100k, Unvaccinated - 15.62 per 100k
Deaths 18+: Vaccinated - 15.80 per 100k, Unvaccinated - 9.74 per 100k
Obviously, there is a little bit of Simpson's Paradox when you look at that broad of an age range, but as I noted above, there are actually age groups where the vaccinated hospitalization rate is higher for vaccinated individuals than unvaccinated individuals. For the 18-29 age group, the vaccinated hospitalization rate (7.87) is higher than the unvaccinated hospitalization rate (7.34). For the 30-39 age group, the vaccinated hospitalization rate (10.45) is higher than the unvaccinated hospitalization rate (9.68).
When you get into the higher age groups, where the vaccination rate is extremely high, you run into another statistical issue, whereby unvaccinated rates are elevated because the denominator is so low, so any cases, hospitalizations or deaths wrongly attributed to the unvaccinated category (which happens, even with the best database management due to human error) dramatically inflate unvaccinated numbers.
While your UK data is interesting, I'm more interested in what is going on in the USA, where I live.
New COVID infection data released by New York Thursday shows in the clearest terms yet the across-the-board retreat of the omicron wave, with both breakthrough and unvaccinated rates plunging by half since last week.
The data is a month old, so I await you retort that vaccines that have been proven to be remarkably effective in preventing serious illness and death as of January, 2022 have somehow become totally ineffective over the last month or so.
When you get into the higher age groups, where the vaccination rate is extremely high, you run into another statistical issue, whereby unvaccinated rates are elevated because the denominator is so low, so any cases, hospitalizations or deaths wrongly attributed to the unvaccinated category (which happens, even with the best database management due to human error) dramatically inflate unvaccinated numbers.
This is the crux of your argument. "All data contrary to my theories can be thrown out"
One thing that is also noteworthy in the Week 7 publication is that they are now comparing boosted rates instead of double vaxxed rates in the Table 13 data, as the differential between those with any vaccination and the unvaccinated is hardly discernable (because over 90% of the population of the UK has COVID antibodies at this point, either through vaccination or prior infection), so now they are focusing on the boosted to try to show efficiency. Even looking at the boosted rates, there is hardly any difference in hospitalization rates between the unvaccinated and boosted in the 18-49 demographic [in that demographic, the rate among those with any vaccination is actually higher (9.25 per 100k) among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated (8.84 per 100k)]. If you compare data between the unvaccinated and vaccinated, you find some surprising things:
Case Rates 18+: Vaccinated - 2,883.55 per 100k, Unvaccinated - 1,390.13 per 100k
Hospitalizations 18+: Vaccinated - 17.91 per 100k, Unvaccinated - 15.62 per 100k
Deaths 18+: Vaccinated - 15.80 per 100k, Unvaccinated - 9.74 per 100k
Obviously, there is a little bit of Simpson's Paradox when you look at that broad of an age range, but as I noted above, there are actually age groups where the vaccinated hospitalization rate is higher for vaccinated individuals than unvaccinated individuals. For the 18-29 age group, the vaccinated hospitalization rate (7.87) is higher than the unvaccinated hospitalization rate (7.34). For the 30-39 age group, the vaccinated hospitalization rate (10.45) is higher than the unvaccinated hospitalization rate (9.68).
When you get into the higher age groups, where the vaccination rate is extremely high, you run into another statistical issue, whereby unvaccinated rates are elevated because the denominator is so low, so any cases, hospitalizations or deaths wrongly attributed to the unvaccinated category (which happens, even with the best database management due to human error) dramatically inflate unvaccinated numbers.
While your UK data is interesting, I'm more interested in what is going on in the USA, where I live.
The data is a month old, so I await you retort that vaccines that have been proven to be remarkably effective in preventing serious illness and death as of January, 2022 have somehow become totally ineffective over the last month or so.
The data is a month old, so I await you retort that vaccines that have been proven to be remarkably effective in preventing serious illness and death as of January, 2022 have somehow become totally ineffective over the last month or so.
JoeD: "US data is made up"
Biden officials and state health departments have essentially said the breakthrough data is made up / unreliable and it will take years to address this inability.
The agency originally tried to track all infections in vaccinated people, from mild to severe. But in May it decided to focus on the most severe cases.
One thing that is also noteworthy in the Week 7 publication is that they are now comparing boosted rates instead of double vaxxed rates in the Table 13 data, as the differential between those with any vaccination and the unvaccinated is hardly discernable (because over 90% of the population of the UK has COVID antibodies at this point, either through vaccination or prior infection), so now they are focusing on the boosted to try to show efficiency. Even looking at the boosted rates, there is hardly any difference in hospitalization rates between the unvaccinated and boosted in the 18-49 demographic [in that demographic, the rate among those with any vaccination is actually higher (9.25 per 100k) among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated (8.84 per 100k)]. If you compare data between the unvaccinated and vaccinated, you find some surprising things:
Case Rates 18+: Vaccinated - 2,883.55 per 100k, Unvaccinated - 1,390.13 per 100k
Hospitalizations 18+: Vaccinated - 17.91 per 100k, Unvaccinated - 15.62 per 100k
Deaths 18+: Vaccinated - 15.80 per 100k, Unvaccinated - 9.74 per 100k
Obviously, there is a little bit of Simpson's Paradox when you look at that broad of an age range, but as I noted above, there are actually age groups where the vaccinated hospitalization rate is higher for vaccinated individuals than unvaccinated individuals. For the 18-29 age group, the vaccinated hospitalization rate (7.87) is higher than the unvaccinated hospitalization rate (7.34). For the 30-39 age group, the vaccinated hospitalization rate (10.45) is higher than the unvaccinated hospitalization rate (9.68).
When you get into the higher age groups, where the vaccination rate is extremely high, you run into another statistical issue, whereby unvaccinated rates are elevated because the denominator is so low, so any cases, hospitalizations or deaths wrongly attributed to the unvaccinated category (which happens, even with the best database management due to human error) dramatically inflate unvaccinated numbers.
While your UK data is interesting, I'm more interested in what is going on in the USA, where I live.
The data is a month old, so I await you retort that vaccines that have been proven to be remarkably effective in preventing serious illness and death as of January, 2022 have somehow become totally ineffective over the last month or so.
Why would you trust anything the state of New York proclaims?
