Serious thread about election fraud

DiscoGary wrote:

I can see this is going to be a one sided discussion so I'll tell you why it matters.

In order to believe that the election could have been stolen across multiple States, one must first believe that powerful Democrats are willing and able to carry out such a conspiracy and that they could maintain tight lips while doing so.

Well, look at what they did before the election on Hunter's laptop. They effectively spiked the story with no major outlets breaking ranks. Very impressive. The Trump/Russia scandal had no basis and laws were broken to persecute the Trump admin, but Democrats across the board kept it alive with no one questioning core accusations or revealing the corrupt coup underlying it all. Very impressive.

Oh yes. Democrats are willing and able to carry out multi-State election fraud while maintaining radio silence. Can we agree on that?

That is a fairy tale. I read plenty about Hunter Biden's laptop, as did most of America. And I did it without reading Trump-friendly news media. The story wasn't spiked by news media. Some social media took a different approach, but that isn't a place any rational person relies on for real news. Moreover, the fact that some social media is favorable to Democrats isn't a sign of covering up fraud any more than One America, Newsmax and Breitbart spinning everything in Trump's favor is a sign of covering up Trump favoring voter fraud.

DiscoGary wrote:

Then the next thing we would look at it is whether or not Democrats had been trying to make it possible to engage in the kind of cheating we are accusing them of.

For the last couple of decades Dems have been doing everything possible to make it easier to cheat when voting. They fight voter ID laws. They pushed for early voting. Then more recently they added massive distribution of millions of vote by mail ballots while simultaneously staging hundreds of lawsuits designed to break down any attempts to secure those ballots. Dem Governors and Sec of States unilaterally changed election laws to loosen signature checks and allow for ballots to be collected after election day. All of these things make it practically impossible to secure our elections.

Yes. Democrats worked VERY hard to enable the kind of cheating that they are being accused of.

Check.

Sorry, but the 'this is all a Democratic plot' theory doesn't hold up.

Virtually every state has sanctioned mail in ballots for years, and most if not all states expanded mail in voting and early voting in response to the pandemic. Doesn't matter if the state was run by Democrats or Republicans. Even Trump voted by mail, as a FL resident.

Of the 6 battleground states that Trump is whining about, 2 have Republican governors. And although PA's governor is a Democrat, it's state legislature is Republican majority and made the election rules last year. This led to one particularly moronic legal challenge in PA where it was claimed by Republicans that the rules for mail in voting set by the Republican state legislature were unconstitutional.

If this is all a Democratic plot, why did Republican GA and AZ join in ? And if this was a Democratic plot, why did the Dems lose seats in the House and likely not seize control of the Senate? If they were secretly pulling the strings on this election, you think they'd have made sure they got control of the WH, the House and the Senate.

Notice that DiscoGary has gone ANOTHER 3 pages since "starting the discussion of evidence" and not provided one single piece yet.

More discussion about twitter banning people to come, I'm sure.

Black people do commit more crime at higher rate compared to all other races (that's just a fact), and if by "external factors" you mean "systemic" racial discrimination, then yeah that's exactly what I am saying. You can call me racist all you want (I really could care less what some dumbsh!t's opinion of me is), everybody with half a brain cell knows that's just a tactic people use to dismiss somebody's argument so you don't have to contend with real facts.

Oh, and we just had the first violations of the law. The Constitution clearly states that State legislatures control the election laws. Not Governors or Sec of State. This is what the Texas lawsuit was about. The States where Govs and Secs changed the voting laws without the legislature violated the Constitution, and Texas sought justice via the Supreme Court which has immediate jurisdiction over disputes between States. They ignored the Constitutional violation.

Where is the justice on this? No where to be seen.

What remedy will there be to correct the mess created by this violation? There will be none.

Wait! Can the Constitution be violated without punishment or consequence for those who did it, and with no justice for those wronged? Yes.

So those of you who believe that our courts are the final arbiters of whether or not laws were violated, you can forget that right here.

DiscoGary wrote:

Yes. Democrats worked VERY hard to enable the kind of cheating that they are being accused of.

Conveniently, it's next to impossible for any of us to disprove that "Democrats" (two of them? 100 of them?) attempted election fraud, but could you cite any instances where such attempts were actually successful?

Very tiresome. Stop parroting the same arguments. LinWood has answered your questions about the governor in that state. Do some research and quit your strawman argument.

Let's talk about something new. Fulton county. Jovan Pulitzer method. Will that be done?

Harambe wrote:

Notice that DiscoGary has gone ANOTHER 3 pages since "starting the discussion of evidence" and not provided one single piece yet.

More discussion about twitter banning people to come, I'm sure.

I just presented evidence that election laws were violated at the Constitutional level without consequences. Don't worry, we're just getting to the good stuff.

Democrats think if they repeat something enough it becomes truth. Mockingbird media. Dan Scavino posted some enlightening clips on how the MSM is complicit.

The hearings today in GA were incredibly damaging to the no fraud MSM narrative. Why no talk of them on this thread? Discus.

So Dem Govs and SofS violated the Constitution by setting and enforcing election laws with consent of the legislature. These new rules made it easier to cheat via the millions of mail-in ballots. The dominoes have started to fall.

Uh-oh. If you're a Dem in the jury box right now you gotta be squirming in your seat.

"without" consent

typing too fast

DiscoGary wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Notice that DiscoGary has gone ANOTHER 3 pages since "starting the discussion of evidence" and not provided one single piece yet.

More discussion about twitter banning people to come, I'm sure.

I just presented evidence that election laws were violated at the Constitutional level without consequences. Don't worry, we're just getting to the good stuff.

For the love of christ post the evidence or shut the f*ck up. Are you mentally disabled or something?

DiscoGary wrote:

So Dem Govs and SofS violated the Constitution by setting and enforcing election laws with consent of the legislature. These new rules made it easier to cheat via the millions of mail-in ballots. The dominoes have started to fall.

Uh-oh. If you're a Dem in the jury box right now you gotta be squirming in your seat.

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DiscoGary wrote:

So Dem Govs and SofS violated the Constitution by setting and enforcing election laws with consent of the legislature. These new rules made it easier to cheat via the millions of mail-in ballots. The dominoes have started to fall.

Uh-oh. If you're a Dem in the jury box right now you gotta be squirming in your seat.

What states? And what laws? Be specific.

DiscoGary wrote:

Oh, and we just had the first violations of the law. The Constitution clearly states that State legislatures control the election laws. Not Governors or Sec of State. This is what the Texas lawsuit was about. The States where Govs and Secs changed the voting laws without the legislature violated the Constitution, and Texas sought justice via the Supreme Court which has immediate jurisdiction over disputes between States. They ignored the Constitutional violation.

I dont think this is true. All the Constitution says is that state legislatures can set their own rules for elections. If the state legislatures give powers to the executive branch, that is fine.

Again, you are merely typing-- where are the links. The evidence?? Help me out man

You don't understand the legal aspects of this very well. The legislatures make laws, such as election laws, usually with the grant of authority for the state's executive branch to administer the laws. For example, in Wisconsin the legislature passed the laws, and the Governor and elections commission provided administrative rules regarding voting under those laws. The Secretary of State, and to some extent the Governor, makes relevant determinations regarding the operation of elections under those rules. The same thing happened in Georgia.

In the Wisconsin cases, the attorneys for the Trump campaign argued that the executive branch went beyond the intent of the laws. The courts disagreed. Note that when it came to the courtroom, there were no arguments relating to fraud, just disagreement as to procedures.

As for the Texas lawsuit, the result was a predictable application of the legal principle of standing. In the various battleground states the Trump campaign, voters, or in some cases electors, have the standing to bring lawsuits on certain matters, but not on others. But Texas does not have standing to sue Wisconsin for the way it applies its law within its borders. As an example, if you trespass on your neighbor's property, your neighbor can sue you. But I can't sue you for your trespass on your neighbor's property.

DiscoGary wrote:

So Dem Govs and SofS violated the Constitution by setting and enforcing election laws with consent of the legislature. These new rules made it easier to cheat via the millions of mail-in ballots. The dominoes have started to fall.

Uh-oh. If you're a Dem in the jury box right now you gotta be squirming in your seat.

Did the Republican governor of Texas violate the Constitution when he bypassed the legislature with respect to ballot boxes? The courts said no, but it seems you might think he did.

Harambe wrote:

Notice that DiscoGary has gone ANOTHER 3 pages since "starting the discussion of evidence" and not provided one single piece yet.

More discussion about twitter banning people to come, I'm sure.

Here's a 5-hour Georgia senate hearing from today of independent speakers presenting evidence of voter fraud. Weird how the MSM didn't cover it. Watch it, you might learn something!

Skip to 2:19:00 for when it gets really good

DiscoGary wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Notice that DiscoGary has gone ANOTHER 3 pages since "starting the discussion of evidence" and not provided one single piece yet.

More discussion about twitter banning people to come, I'm sure.

I just presented evidence that election laws were violated at the Constitutional level without consequences. Don't worry, we're just getting to the good stuff.

No you didn't. You said that laws were broken, but to paraphrase Judge Bibas, merely saying that laws were broken does not make it so. And parenthetically, you didn't even bother to say what laws were broken, who broke them, when were they broken etc.

Still waiting on evidence.