El Keniano wrote:
As I always say, the UK having no busts is what's suspicious.
No. There the cheats dope while respecting (for example ABP) thresholds and glowing times, just like here.
Not being able to go full blast gives of course a smaller boost, which explains part of the current African dominance.
Coevett wrote:
No, they are being targeted because of over 200 busts over the years despite abysmal testing standards and documented corruption - all the way from tea money testers to Olympic team managers.
Kenya should have been banned years ago and you know it. Give thanks every day that Lord Coe has a soft spot for them.
There are no abysmal testing in Kenya. In fact for the past 10 years, Kenya has been tested far more than any other country. This article says Kenya was the most tested country in 2012.
https://www.worldathletics.org/news/iaaf-news/anti-doping-statistics-top-10-tested-nationsThe UK does not even feature in the top 10 despite the fact that doping is rampant in the UK by the admission of their own athletes
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/drugsinsport/12160508/Doping-culture-that-is-threatening-to-ruin-British-amateur-sport-could-be-worse-than-anyone-realises.htmlKenyan distance = Jamaican sprints
Anybody decently good is doped. They have to be, in order to even be considered for anything, because they are consistent and less injury-prone.
It is a machine, and the athletes are just the tools. Absolutely the country should be banned at the moment, until they can prove that they have cleaned up their act—same as Jam should have been banned, and probably ETH, BAH, and others.
They’re not even CLOSE to being clean federations.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Kenyan distance = Jamaican sprints
Anybody decently good is doped. They have to be, in order to even be considered for anything, because they are consistent and less injury-prone.
It is a machine, and the athletes are just the tools. Absolutely the country should be banned at the moment, until they can prove that they have cleaned up their act—same as Jam should have been banned, and probably ETH, BAH, and others.
They’re not even CLOSE to being clean federations.
Amen.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Kenyan distance = Jamaican sprints
Anybody decently good is doped. They have to be, in order to even be considered for anything, because they are consistent and less injury-prone.
It is a machine, and the athletes are just the tools. Absolutely the country should be banned at the moment, until they can prove that they have cleaned up their act—same as Jam should have been banned, and probably ETH, BAH, and others
They’re not even CLOSE to being clean federations.
What an asinine post.
The heat has been on Kenya for coming on five years now, yet no effect on depth.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Kenyan distance = Jamaican sprints
Anybody decently good is doped. They have to be, in order to even be considered for anything, because they are consistent and less injury-prone.
It is a machine, and the athletes are just the tools. Absolutely the country should be banned at the moment, until they can prove that they have cleaned up their act—same as Jam should have been banned, and probably ETH, BAH, and others.
They’re not even CLOSE to being clean federations.
+1
El Keniano wrote:
The heat has been on Kenya for coming on five years now, yet no effect on depth.
2009: Nine Kenyans in the top-15 for 5000m
2019: One.
YMMV wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
The heat has been on Kenya for coming on five years now, yet no effect on depth.
2009: Nine Kenyans in the top-15 for 5000m
2019: One.
Now compare the marathon on 2009 and 2019. That’s where the money is.
El Keniano wrote:
YMMV wrote:
2009: Nine Kenyans in the top-15 for 5000m
2019: One.
Now compare the marathon on 2009 and 2019. That’s where the money is.
That is where dodging testers is easier.
YMMV wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Now compare the marathon on 2009 and 2019. That’s where the money is.
That is where dodging testers is easier.
Ok then. Hold that breath for Kenya collapsing as distance running power.
El Keniano wrote:
YMMV wrote:
That is where dodging testers is easier.
Ok then. Hold that breath for Kenya collapsing as distance running power.
The thing is, Kenyans aren't any more dominant in the marathon. Most of the young marathon talents are Ethiopian, and they still dominate the 5000m.
It's debatable if even times are getting much faster without the shoes.
I wonder also if 5000m talent would translate so well to marathon success without EPO?
Look at middle-distance. Thank God for potato Tim or you'd be in the worst state since the early 80s.
I guess the next Rudisha will choose to run a sub 2 hour marathon than break 1:40?
I'd bett the next Rudisha gets busted.
Kenya has a grand total of one Olympic gold medal ? in the the 5000m (John Ngugi, 1988). What a decline.
El Keniano wrote:
YMMV wrote:
2009: Nine Kenyans in the top-15 for 5000m
2019: One.
Now compare the marathon on 2009 and 2019. That’s where the money is.
And the dope too.
El Keniano wrote:
Kenya has a grand total of one Olympic gold medal ? in the the 5000m (John Ngugi, 1988). What a decline.
Seven WC golds though. None since 2005 though.