10k- 39:34; 1/2 M- 1:35:19... how can I break 3?

ThisGuy wrote:

Something tells me that you tend to embellish what you actually run as it pertains to races. That you maybe shed off a few minutes here and there when the results say otherwise. If you're not a troll, and shooting us all straight, mind posting the results with your name and the location blocked out?

You need to be more serious with yourself if you plan on running even anything near 3:15. That's just the reality of things...

I'm looking for good feedback and to embellish results and paces would completely defeat the purpose of that. You may have been using this site too long to question an anonymous hobby jogger. I would be happy to post results with name and location blackout but I've seen the sleuthing/doxxing that occurs to people on this website when they give a clue of who they are. I wish to remain private, I don't think thats a big ask. If I break 3, I'll consider posting the proof. Thanks.

It's relatively easy to remain private if you black out name and locations. Personally, I think you're an epic troll who isn't being straight with himself and what he's actually running. Relatively easy to take the past results you've provided and put them into search/Athlinks and get what pops up...that is, if you are for real.

Readjust you’re goal of breaking 3 in 2 months. You will be lucky to run 3:20:00 / good luck

lmao nice try at attempting to get the OP to reveal his identity to disprove his claims. Your evidence is you found him because you found some guy who ran completely different times? Hilarious. Just get over the fact that you can't stalk him. Your obsession is a little creepy.

If I am wrong, I challenge him to come on and tell me so.

Bet that won’t happen.

So basically you are begging him to dox himself. C’mon dude.

01/06 6 - 10:01/mile

01/07 am: 3 easy; pm: 3 wu, 5x1000 (4:05, 4:01, 4:02, 4:02, 3:20) 50" rest, 2 cd

01/08 8 - 7:35/mile (middle 4 miles at 6:52/pace)

01/09 6 - 8:29/mile

01/10 5 easy today

01/11 20 - 10 ez, 10 @goal mp (21 days out)

01/12 4 recovery

tentative week total: 60

Taper workouts I was thinking ~

18 days out - ?

15 days out - 7 ez, 9 @goal mp

12 days out - ?

8 days out - 3 wu, 6@ goal mp, 3 cd

5 days out - 2 wu, 3@ 1/2mp, 2 cd

stil_kannonier wrote:

01/06 6 - 10:01/mile

01/07 am: 3 easy; pm: 3 wu, 5x1000 (4:05, 4:01, 4:02, 4:02, 3:20) 50" rest, 2 cd

01/08 8 - 7:35/mile (middle 4 miles at 6:52/pace)

01/09 6 - 8:29/mile

01/10 5 easy today

01/11 20 - 10 ez, 10 @goal mp (21 days out)

01/12 4 recovery

tentative week total: 60

Taper workouts I was thinking ~

18 days out - ?

15 days out - 7 ez, 9 @goal mp

12 days out - ?

8 days out - 3 wu, 6@ goal mp, 3 cd

5 days out - 2 wu, 3@ 1/2mp, 2 cd

I fear I have ruined myself for the taper.

01/11 - 0 miles due to work/travel obligations

01/12 - 2 miles due to wedding obligations

01/13 - 0 miles due to travel

These were critical days I fear to get the last "long run" in, despite running the half-marathon the weekend before. All I can think is that I run the 18-20 miles today (20 days out), take it easy the rest of the week, and change my saturday workout (15 days out) to a 5 warmup 9 mile progression 7:15 -> 6:15.

Any thoughts or am I over analyzing and freaking out as a typical first timer? Thanks.

You're over analyzing a bit. Yeah, it would have been better to run this weekend rather than get 0's. Even getting some short 30 to 40 minute jogs in would have been better. But whatever, just file that away for next time.

Run the 20 mile workout today or tomorrow. Just fit it in. Most people do their long runs on the weekend because of time and that is when the races are run. But a guy in my club regularly does his 20 milers on Tuesday.

Shifting your big long run by a couple days in either direction will not ruin a buildup. You just adjust the remaining days accordingly. And you don't even need to plan those all the way to the end. At this stage, keep things open. Just keep running. Do a long hard run, then work on recovering. Then do a medium run, then recover. Before you know it, race day will be here.

Thank you for the advice, I know I was probably being over the top. I plan on hammering the 20 miles today to get my 'mental' edge back as last night going to bed I was pretty down on myself.

A couple runs never are enough to lead to a successful race, and just the same, a couple missed runs mean less than we think in the long run. Just keep at it and don’t try to overcompensate for the missed time.

Did you get a good long run in yesterday?

Yes but I did not do the 10 ez 10 @6:50/mile workout for 20.

Instead I went 6 ez, 4 @6:37, 10 ez for 20. This morning I ran 10 ez.

For Wed - Th - Fri - Sun, I'll run between 4- 6 miles with strides. Saturday I plan on 4 ez, 9 @6:50.

This would put me at between 61-69 miles for the week (I'll try to keep it closer to 61), but at least the mileage is front loaded. I always thought the 3 week taper was too long anyhow, so basically has turned into 2.5 week taper for me.

Quick question, everyone 'serious' is running in vaporflys but I've got a pair NB Hanzo flats I raced in this year that I like, round ~100 miles on them. Should I run marathon in my NB flats or is it worth it to get some fat cushion shoes like these adidas shoes everyone is hot for right now.

stil_kannonier wrote:

Yes but I did not do the 10 ez 10 @6:50/mile workout for 20.

Instead I went 6 ez, 4 @6:37, 10 ez for 20. This morning I ran 10 ez.

For Wed - Th - Fri - Sun, I'll run between 4- 6 miles with strides. Saturday I plan on 4 ez, 9 @6:50.

This would put me at between 61-69 miles for the week (I'll try to keep it closer to 61), but at least the mileage is front loaded. I always thought the 3 week taper was too long anyhow, so basically has turned into 2.5 week taper for me.

Quick question, everyone 'serious' is running in vaporflys but I've got a pair NB Hanzo flats I raced in this year that I like, round ~100 miles on them. Should I run marathon in my NB flats or is it worth it to get some fat cushion shoes like these adidas shoes everyone is hot for right now.

Running is not as difficult as you're making it. Squeezing in a ton a miles because you feel guilty (which is ludicrous) you missed a few runs is unhealthy.

Had you been honest with yourself and those helping you on the message board, instead of gaslighting and providing race results that were 3-4 minutes faster than you actually ran, you wouldn't feel the lack of confidence you currently do.

Based on what I've read and researched on your ACTUAL times, you don't break 3:15.

Unless you do all your training in very minimalist shoes, don't use the Hanzo for the marathon. It's such a slim, light shoe. It's really just designed for 5k. Maybe 10k at most for light, efficient runners.

Honestly, for a first marathon and shooting for around 3 hours, I would just run in my most comfortable pair of trainers. Save the race shoes for the next round.

Thanks @keepgoing I think that is wise advice. I ran the half marathon in october in the hanzos and my legs were torn up afterwards.

01/13 9 - 8:40/mile

01/14 20 - 6 @7:00, 4 @6:30, 10 @8:30

01/15 3 ez

01/16 3 ez

01/17 3 ez

01/18 14 - 8:39, 8:25, 8:01, 7:32, 7:03, 6:55, 6:44, 6:33, 6:30, 6:15, 6:16, 6:18, 6:17, 5:48

Felt great today, in trainers without pushing, maybe I am cut out for 6:50 miles for 26 miles. Used gu gels for first time. Didn't care for them but no stomach problems.

How’s training going?

updater wrote:

How’s training going?

It has been well. The miles and workouts are good, sure could have been better, but such is life. I have been quite anxious during my taper as it feels like I'm right on the cusp of sub 3. And then there's the anxiety of blowing up due to my inexperience with the distance and questionable ability to properly fuel in-race, in addition to probably being undertrained ha.

01/19 Rest

01/20 4.5 - 9:00/mile

01/21 1 easy; 3 x mile with 90" rest 6:25, 6:05, 5:45; 5 easy

01/22 4.5 - 8:25/mile

01/23 2 easy am; 5 easy pm. total avg 9:05/mile

01/24 5 - 8:30/mile

01/25 8 mile tempo progression - 8:15, 7:38, 6:44, 6:27, 6:30, 6:23, 6:17, 6:12, 6:02

01/26 7.5 - 8:16/mile

week total: 45.5

I think race calculators are spotty for new runners, or at least it's a problem I've run into. Trained for my first marathon last year based on a 42-min 10k and 1:35 half, and all conventional wisdom had me aiming for a 3:20 marathon, but I ran a 3:03. If you're like me and still in a period where almost every race is a PR, trust your body and training more than the calculator imo.

I'll be going for sub3 in two weeks as well, based on a new 1:30 half pr and 39:29 10K. Good luck with your race!