I think one is pretty egregious when this is your profession. Try telling your wife you just slept with one intern. Why don’t they name the names of who has missed? Also, IMO if you miss two, it’s a rebuttable presumption that you are cheating.
I think one is pretty egregious when this is your profession. Try telling your wife you just slept with one intern. Why don’t they name the names of who has missed? Also, IMO if you miss two, it’s a rebuttable presumption that you are cheating.
REAL. wrote:
According to WADA, 62% of all pool athletes "miss" at least one test. Sh!t happens.
or hide under the bed while the doorbell is ringing
Sports Dad wrote:
This is an open post to Robert Johnson from Seth Coleman, Christian Coleman's dad:
For you to utter such nonsensical drivel, that "Christian Coleman should be drug tested every day for the rest of his career," shows that you are an unprofessional, irresponsible hack. And an idiot.
-- It is medially irresponsible to take blood intravenously from a human being every day.
-- Christian did not "get off on a technicality" or a "loophole." The rule is the rule. Ask USADA. Ask WADA.
-- Christian has been tested over 30 times in a calendar year and, I would venture to guess that since he graduated from high school in 2014 and began his college career at the University of Tennessee, he has been tested 100 times by the NCAA, USADA, WADA , the AIU, etc. He has never even had ONE false positive.
-- When Christian broke the world record in the 60m the FIRST time, HE CALLED WADA immediately and asked them to come test him so his record would be ratified. He eventually MET A TESTER AT A DINER, at 2 a.m. Does that sound like a "cheater?"
-- And you compared him to the dirt bag ex-coach at the University of Toledo? Are you serious?
-- Bottom line: Christian will be more diligent in his whereabout filings, but he did not break a rule. He is not a "doper." Never has been. Never will be. You, on the other hand, are an unprofessional, irresponsible, idiotic hack. And I have no problem telling you this -- calmly and rationally -- to your face.
Editor's note: In the post above, Seth Coleman, Christian's father, is referring to the most recent episode of the LetsRun.com podcast where we talked about Christian's three whereabouts failures in a 12-month period. We have confirmed that the post above indeed did come from Seth Coleman. You can hear what we said about Coleman at the 25:09 mark of the podcast (link at the end of this post).
Robert Johnson responded to Mr. Coleman's criticisms by emailing him the following:
Robert wrote:
This is Robert Johnson. I'm a co-founder of the website LetsRun.com. Someone claiming to be you posted on our messageboard last night.
Can you confirm that you did in fact post it?
If it was indeed you, I'd like to explain a few things.
I asked that Christian be tested every day because as a fan it's impossible to know what to enjoy about our sport as being real. Think about how many Olympic champions have been popped over the years, whether in the sprints (Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Justin Gatlin, etc.) or distances (Asli Cakir Alptekin, Asbel Kiprop, Jemima Sumgong). It's just so frustrating.
In my mind, all performances in our sport are subject to doubt, and whether fair or not, these three whereabouts failures by your son will cause his performances to be scrutinized by some for the rest of his career. The only way to remove most of that doubt would be to be tested every single day.
I think Christian offering to do something like this would be a real opportunity for him. It would give fans a reason to believe in a big star and enjoy the sport once again. I think it would be educational as well. Christian could be viewed as a role model moving forward. Everyone could believe in him being clean and he could show young people that you can make mistakes at a young age and overcome it. Yes, daily blood tests wouldn't be possible, but you could do a urine test every day.
As for Kevin Hadsell, I only mentioned his name because he made an amazing point at his own expense. As Lance Armstrong proved, passing scores of drug tests doesn't really mean much, but if you do it every day then I think you cross a threshold where it means something and I think people are going to believe.
As someone who has been in the public eye myself (though obviously not to the same degree as Christian) for nearly two decades, I know how hard it is to see public criticism of you or a family member. It hurts and is hard to deal with.
I think it’s wonderful you are defending your son and your post makes me think it's likely your son is CLEAN. Are you open to an interview with our reporter Jonathan Gault? Or would you like to be on our podcast next week as a guest?
Yours in running,
-Robert
Mr. Coleman wrote back:
Seth Coleman wrote:
Good morning, Mr. Johnson.
Yes, I submitted that post.
With all due respect, you suggesting that Christian be tested every day for the rest of his career is asinine on so many levels. As I said in my post, he has been and will continue to be tested and scrutinized more than just about any athlete on the planet. Again, he has been tested more than 30 times in a year and has always been clean. He has never even had a false positive. There is no need for him to be tested every day – blood or urine. Mentioning his name in the same sentence and Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, and Justin – in reference to PED’s – is reckless, ESPECIALLY given the fact that USADA dropped their case and WADA has decided quickly that it will not try to appeal. And the Toledo coach is a crass dirt bag, an accused sexual predator, who lacks character, professionalism and common decency. Bringing his name into this discussion about Christian, in any context, was/is foolish.
Christian did not violate any USADA rules or policies that would cause him to be banned. The only thing he needs to do, and will do moving forward, is to be more diligent and thorough about his whereabout filings.
Also, thanks, but I respectfully decline the offer to be on your show. Have a nice day.
Podcast link:
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/09/brussels-coleman-preview-podcast/
I guess Mr. Coleman told Robert Johnson...twice.
Christian did not violate any USADA rules.
hmmmmmm wrote:
Plus we have the traditional letsrun idiots arguing about racism, and whether Cuba is in Europe.
Clipperton Island is part of Europe (EU), and it's even West of Mexico.
REAL. wrote:
According to WADA, 62% of all pool athletes "miss" at least one test. Sh!t happens.
Just by probability then, 0.62^3 = 23.8% of them should miss 3 tests. Why aren't there more top-level WA failures then?
rojo wrote:
I think it’s wonderful you are defending your son and your post makes me think it's likely your son is CLEAN.
Da fuq was that?!? Rojo walking away with his tail between his legs.
Rojo - did you also feel the same way about Marion Jones when you saw this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqaXyjCz7jEEast Coast poor wrote:
rojo wrote:
I think it’s wonderful you are defending your son and your post makes me think it's likely your son is CLEAN.
Da fuq was that?!? Rojo walking away with his tail between his legs.
Rojo - did you also feel the same way about Marion Jones when you saw this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqaXyjCz7jE
Rojo is a coward. If there was a draft, he would dodge it just like his dad did.
Moscow Mitch wrote:
Rojo is a coward.
Says the anonymous poster.
Hiding behind a handle. wrote:
Moscow Mitch wrote:
Rojo is a coward.
Says the anonymous poster.
Anonymous poster or not, rojo IS a coward. We're talking about rojo's actions here, not the poster's.
Agreed. Professional journalists are too worried about their corporate sponsors (or perhaps their employers are) and being politically correct to post what they really think. I feel like this is the only site on the internet where they "give it straight." I don't always agree with the BroJos, but I love how transparent they are.
REAL. wrote:
According to WADA, 62% of all pool athletes "miss" at least one test. Sh!t happens.
Nothing cited. Can you direct us where this information is?
+1 wrote:
Sports Dad wrote:
-- And you compared him to the dirt bag ex-coach at the University of Toledo? Are you serious?
Just wanted to +1 this part.
+ 1 million. Can't believe Rojo laughed at a joke about Hadsell being a sexual abuser. It's sickening.
I'm on Mr. Coleman's side on this one. I thought that you're podcast did make some unwarranted remarks - whether they were slightly tongue in cheek or not.
Knowing that if you made ridiculous statements about my son, I'd be on your ass also.
I really don't have a dog in this fight, but Mr. Coleman gets my respect.
REAL. wrote:
According to WADA, 62% of all pool athletes "miss" at least one test. Sh!t happens.
Overall, 736 tests requested of Russian athletes were declined or canceled with another 73 not able to be collected because the athlete wasn’t available.
https://swimswam.com/russian-testing-evasion-sample-tampering-alleged-in-wadas-new-report/Rojo,
Was it ever made clear what Jon Drummond's role is with Christian Coleman? USADA clearly has him on the "Prohibited Association" list.
https://www.usada.org/testing/results/prohibited-association/
rojo wrote:
Finally someone said it wrote:
Great post and response, Mr. Coleman. Notice how Rojo backed down when a real man called him on his B.S. Thank you for saying what many of us have thought for years. Good luck to you and your son.
PS This post will probably get deleted, but I hope you see it before it goes.
Backed down? I didn't back down at all. I just explained the thought process of everything. When you are recording a podcast live, you don't get time to edit your arguments so I was explaining why I want a test every day and why I talked about the Hadsell post. The fact that Hadsell posted in the thread was amazingly entertaining and I wanted to share it with our podcast listeners. Most people aren't on page 5 of a thread so I wanted to share with them an amazing post from the messageboard.
I never said Coleman had anything to do with sexual misconduct. I was just using the argument made by Hadsell that passing drug tests doesn't mean much. The fact that Hadsell made the argument is something I shared as I imagine most people found it to be fascinating.
My job is mainly to curate all of the info that is out there about running and share the most entertaining/newsworthy news I find. His post definitely fits that bill.
You should be ASHAMED for laughing at a joke made by a SEXUAL ABUSER about his SEXUAL ABUSE. Absolutely SHAMEFUL.
In a nutshell those athletes in the elite pool (which for UKAD numbered 365 in 2011 but is now 266 across all sports) must update the “ADAMS” system to let testers know where they will be for one hour between 5am and 11pm
Missing one test is relatively common – in all there were 66 missed tests in 2011, the year in which Farah missed his second test and put his epoch-defining Olympic double at risk. But in the whole of that year only nine athletes are believed to have missed two tests. In 2014 the figure was only one.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/jun/18/missed-drug-tests-mo-farah-wada
Could not agree more
Bucz wrote:
Does anyone else who has been visiting this site since the very early days find it confusing when people call into question the site's professionalism and journalism?
I feel like I'll always think of them as just a bunch of regular dudes, or certifiable hacks if youd like. Theyre neither professionals nor journalists, which has been the charm from the very beginning.
It's hilariously ironic now that they've gained a stature in the sport that such standards are expected of them.
Sports Dad wrote:
-- Christian has been tested over 30 times in a calendar year and, I would venture to guess that since he graduated from high school in 2014 and began his college career at the University of Tennessee, he has been tested 100 times by the NCAA, USADA, WADA , the AIU, etc. He has never even had ONE false positive.
Not having a "False Positive" means there was no erroenous positive drug test result.
One valid interpretation of that statement is there was a positive drug test result - and it was not erroneous.
Assuming this is not intentionally disingenuous wording, what he should have written was "He never even had ONE positive test".
rojo wrote:
[quote]Finally someone said it wrote:
The fact that Hadsell posted in the thread was amazingly entertaining and I wanted to share it with our podcast listeners. Most people aren't on page 5 of a thread so I wanted to share with them an amazing post from the messageboard.
The fact that Hadsell made the argument is something I shared as I imagine most people found it to be fascinating.
My job is mainly to curate all of the info that is out there about running and share the most entertaining/newsworthy news I find. His post definitely fits that bill.
You are something Robert. The argument that he made is something known by everyone and has been posted numerous times before. You are calling it fascinating? What is so fascinating about it? This Hadsell guy surely seems connected to you in some way, shape or form as you are really pushing his name and his point---that was average at best, yet you oddly termed it as fascinating. The fact that you termed it as fascinating is strange in and of itself. Geez!