Is Sebastian Coe the only white distance runner in the top 10?

you are wrong wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

The Tanzanians were the best Africans in the mid-to-late 1970s, unfortunately for them the Italians and the Dutch never went there so just like the West they fell behind.

Kenya was the best in African distance running in the mid-to-late 1970s, not Tanzania.

You could certainly make the case that Tanzania was the emerging powerhouse, or so it seemed, as much as Kenya.

Tanzania had the top ranked 1500 guy and the second ranked man over 5000m, and both were around 20.

The fact that Tanzania and Kenya have since had completely different trajectories is very obvious and Subway's explanation is likely the correct one.

The cricket wrote:

doctorj wrote:

Again, can you PROVE it? You are constantly making serious accusations on this matter and it's about time to remind you and LECTURE you on this, as if you were a child. Are you aware that in matters of law (which applies here since you are the one doing the LIBEL...written defamation) what you believe is irrelevant? What matters is what you can PROVE. If you can't PROVE it, shut your pie hole since your opinion is as good as used toilet paper until you can produce some EVIDENCE and PROOF.

+1000

His silence is deafening.

I bet he is still enjoying them Kenyan potatoes he and his boys got served last night.

How do you like them potatoes?

To be fair, you two and your subhuman minions have been saying exactly this against Russians. Can you PROVE Russians that are banned (but not caught) are doping? You don't understand that you are doing the LIBEL? Have you produced EVIDENCE and PROOF of all Russians doping?

lil sebby wrote:

The top 10 runners of all time, listed in no particular order within each section:

1-3

Kenenisa Bekele

Haile Gebrselassie

Hicham El Guerrouj

4-6

Noureddine Morceli

Eliud Kipchoge

Daniel Komen

7-10

Paul Tergat

Said Aouita

Sebastian Coe

Moses Kiptanui

Aside from Seb Coe, I can't think of a single non-African that belongs on this list. Who am I missing? Nurmi, Zatopek, and Viren all come to mind but I don't see who I could replace.

Tergat never won a global track title.

Interesting that nearly all of those are from the EPO era

Coevett wrote:

you are wrong wrote:

Kenya was the best in African distance running in the mid-to-late 1970s, not Tanzania.

You could certainly make the case that Tanzania was the emerging powerhouse, or so it seemed, as much as Kenya.

Tanzania had the top ranked 1500 guy and the second ranked man over 5000m, and both were around 20.

The fact that Tanzania and Kenya have since had completely different trajectories is very obvious and Subway's explanation is likely the correct one.

After the 1979 season

19 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 1:47.8 for 800m

15 Kenyans and 2 Tanzanians have run sub 3:41.5 for 1500m

16 Kenyans and 2 Tanzanians have run sub 13:36.6 for 5000m

15 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 28:42.8 for 10000m

3 Kenyans and 0 Tanzanians have run sub 2:20.00 for the Marathon

17 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 8:39.2 for the 3000m St.

The majority of those times were achieved in the 2nd half of the 1970s.

Stop the nonsense wrote:

To be fair, you two and your subhuman minions have been saying exactly this against Russians. Can you PROVE Russians that are banned (but not caught) are doping? You don't understand that you are doing the LIBEL? Have you produced EVIDENCE and PROOF of all Russians doping?

RUSADA and ARAF were the ones that were caught.

Russian athletes not caught can compete as neutral athletes.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Interesting that nearly all of those are from the EPO era

That's what I said - 10 or 12 years out of 120+ years of track history, and all the greatest runners happened to be competing in that narrow window. Pure co-incidence of course.

If EPO had been invented in 1965 instead of 1985 (around), I can imagine the history of middle and long distance in the 70's being totally different. Maybe the WRs and top lists would have been totally dominated by Moroccans, Kenyans and Ethiopians. Maybe Ryun, Walker, Ovett etc would have chosen a different sport, and we would never even have heard of them. Or maybe simply ran slower because of lack of motivation. Coe trained twice on Christmas Day in 1979 because he thought Ovett was doing the same. Perhaps if Abderrahmane Morceli and his 'naturally superior African genes' had already lowered the WR to 3:27 he wouldn't have gotten out of bed at all.

Maybe the IAAF would finally have cracked down on African doping by the 90's and the equivalents of Jakob and Max Burgin would have dominated that decade.

you are wrong wrote:

After the 1979 season

19 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 1:47.8 for 800m

15 Kenyans and 2 Tanzanians have run sub 3:41.5 for 1500m

16 Kenyans and 2 Tanzanians have run sub 13:36.6 for 5000m

15 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 28:42.8 for 10000m

3 Kenyans and 0 Tanzanians have run sub 2:20.00 for the Marathon

17 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 8:39.2 for the 3000m St.

The majority of those times were achieved in the 2nd half of the 1970s.

Eh? After the 1979 season the majority of those times were achieved in the 2nd half of the 1970s?

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Tergat never won a global track title.

Interesting that nearly all of those are from the EPO era

Tergat has set World Records over 10000m, Half-Marathon, and Marathon and was World Champion in Cross Country (5 times) and Half-Marathon (2 times) and has won 4 silvers behind Gebrselassie on the track.

Your 2nd statement is wrong, as was clarified before.

Coevett wrote:

you are wrong wrote:

After the 1979 season

19 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 1:47.8 for 800m

15 Kenyans and 2 Tanzanians have run sub 3:41.5 for 1500m

16 Kenyans and 2 Tanzanians have run sub 13:36.6 for 5000m

15 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 28:42.8 for 10000m

3 Kenyans and 0 Tanzanians have run sub 2:20.00 for the Marathon

17 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 8:39.2 for the 3000m St.

The majority of those times were achieved in the 2nd half of the 1970s.

Eh? After the 1979 season the majority of those times were achieved in the 2nd half of the 1970s?

Exactly.

How many Tanzanians have run sub 4:15 in 1978? 4

No, not women - men. And, no, not in the Mile - in the 1500m.

Coevett wrote:

you are wrong wrote:

After the 1979 season

19 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 1:47.8 for 800m

15 Kenyans and 2 Tanzanians have run sub 3:41.5 for 1500m

16 Kenyans and 2 Tanzanians have run sub 13:36.6 for 5000m

15 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 28:42.8 for 10000m

3 Kenyans and 0 Tanzanians have run sub 2:20.00 for the Marathon

17 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 8:39.2 for the 3000m St.

The majority of those times were achieved in the 2nd half of the 1970s.

Eh? After the 1979 season the majority of those times were achieved in the 2nd half of the 1970s?

It's pretty easy to understand if you aren't a knuckle-dragger. At the end of the 70s, those are the numbers of Kenyans and Tanzanians that had run under those times. So no, it couldn't be argued that Tanzania was as much of a dominating force as Kenya, unless you are braindead.

Well your point was so stupid I couldn't understand it. What does it matter how many Kenyans had run under 1:47.8 when Coe had already lowered the WR to 1:42 in 1979? Between 1975-79 1 Tanzanian ran under 1:45.5 for 800m 3 Kenyans ran under 1:45.5 for 800m 2 Tanzanians ran under 3:36 for 1500m 1 Kenyan ran under 3:36 for 1500m 2 Tanzanians ran under 13:21 for 5000m 3 Kenyans ran under 13:21 for 5000m The point is that Tanzania was competing with Kenya and since then it has barely produced a single world class star, whilst Kenya has produced dozens. That needs explaining somewhat, and Subway is 100% correct.

fact czech wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Eh? After the 1979 season the majority of those times were achieved in the 2nd half of the 1970s?

It's pretty easy to understand if you aren't a knuckle-dragger. At the end of the 70s, those are the numbers of Kenyans and Tanzanians that had run under those times. So no, it couldn't be argued that Tanzania was as much of a dominating force as Kenya, unless you are braindead.

It wasn't my point, I was just able to understand it because I have basic reading comprehension.

The numbers speak for themselves. The Kenyans clearly had the depth of talent even in the 70s that Tanzania did not, much like today. The better question for Tanzania is why did they have their only two decent runners 40 years ago?

Stop the nonsense wrote:

To be fair, you two and your subhuman minions have been saying exactly this against Russians. Can you PROVE Russians that are banned (but not caught) are doping? You don't understand that you are doing the LIBEL? Have you produced EVIDENCE and PROOF of all Russians doping?

What's your angle on this? Of course there's not "evidence and proof" that all Russians are doping. But unless you've been living in a cave or something, Russia is in very bad shape right now - they're the Titanic sinking to give you an analogy. First of all, their ban has been extended through this year's WC and I think they're in danger of being banned for Tokyo for the second straight Olympics. Remember the initial McLaren report:

And this is potentially catastrophic once they start testing the samples:

And this is downright ridiculous!

And you should be paying attention to the AIU provisional suspension list...more Russians getting busted including one of their top race walkers getting suspended for his second ABP violation. ?

I say stop the nonsense with Russia!

Coevett wrote:

You could certainly make the case that Tanzania was the emerging powerhouse, or so it seemed, as much as Kenya.

This was your statement, Sherlock.

Tanzania was not the "emerging powerhouse, as much as Kenya".

They have had two world class athletes - that's it.

4 sub 4:15 athletes in 1978. But this has dramatically improved to 8 in 1979...

And they have had world class athletes since. Ever heard of Joshua Cheptegei? The current World Champion in the Cross. And others before like Stephen Kiprotich, the 2012 Olympic Marathon champion.

They are well behind Kenya - as they always have been.

you are wrong wrote:

Tanzania was not the "emerging powerhouse, as much as Kenya".

They have had two world class athletes - that's it.

But Kenya didn't have that many world class athletes back then either.

Tanzania had two of the very best.

The doping apologist/Kenyan fetishists here often say that Kip Kenio caused the explosion of talent in Kenya. Why didn't Kenya dominate before the 80's? Because it took Kenio (and a little later Rono) to show young Kenyans that they were the running master race. Odd that it didn't happen in Tanzania after Bayi, who was the WR holder in the flagship event and whose rivalry with Walker was epic.

Uganda is not Tanzania....!!!

No you stop wrote:

Stop the nonsense wrote:

To be fair, you two and your subhuman minions have been saying exactly this against Russians. Can you PROVE Russians that are banned (but not caught) are doping? You don't understand that you are doing the LIBEL? Have you produced EVIDENCE and PROOF of all Russians doping?

RUSADA and ARAF were the ones that were caught.

Russian athletes not caught can compete as neutral athletes.

Actually, no. There were allegations against RUSADA but no evidence. No proof.

Bayi still has the national records over 1500m, Mile, 3000m and Steeple!

I was wrong wrote:

Bayi still has the national records over 1500m, Mile, 3000m and Steeple!

Really astonishing that Bayi and Nyambui could reach world class level coming from a country with almost no background at all.

The two most prominent names after them might be Juma Ikangaa and John Yuda.