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Two off the team, two now on
clown shoes wrote:
I’m hearing anything done now is too late and the USATF has turned in their version of rosters already
The roster has alternates. Hopefully USATF named athletes in dispute as the alternate. I'm not sure if they can cover everyone that way, but for some spots it may be possible to change who they send.
Update wrote:
Two off the team, two now on
Garrett Heath is one of the athletes now off the team.
Apparently the result of arbitration is that some events are having the 2018-2019 window applied and some the 2019-only window. Because that totally makes sense.
Heath was in with a 2018 mark.
1) Arbitrator found that 2019 marks were required to be used
2) Arbitrator determined the guys who filed had to be given spots based upon 2019 marks
3) USATF has emailed 2018 mark athletes saying nothing has changed.
Athletes with 2019 marks should file a complaint with USOC and start arbitration.
Maybe talk to the athletes who won the arbitration
Express your rights wrote:
1) Arbitrator found that 2019 marks were required to be used
2) Arbitrator determined the guys who filed had to be given spots based upon 2019 marks
3) USATF has emailed 2018 mark athletes saying nothing has changed.
Athletes with 2019 marks should file a complaint with USOC and start arbitration.
Maybe talk to the athletes who won the arbitration
So does the USOC expect each athlete to file their own individual Section 9 complaint? And they are relying on USATF to notify each athlete which USATF proceeds to fail to do?
There is a class of athletes who were equally affected by this, it is not reasonable for the USOC to put the burden on the athletes to individually arbitrate. Do the athletes have to pay the costs up front and hope to win and get reimbursed?
I understand that USATF made a mess of the team selection, but if we don’t like how USATF, why not become a part of the organization and make a difference. It is a mostly volunteer organization. It isn’t too hard to have a voice and make a difference. Every state has at least one USATF organization that feeds into the National office. Take control and make changes. People like to complain about USATF but they don’t do anything to help the organization. They have the quarterly meeting in each association and annual meeting, in Columbus, OH. Volunteer, be involved, and stop whining!
I would advise every 2019 qualifying athlete denied a spot to make a motion of inclusion as a complaintant to the judge. Judge Matt mitten. Look him up.
It costs over $2000 to file for arbitration .
Is your spot worth that?
CaptainTuttle262 wrote:
I understand that USATF made a mess of the team selection, but if we don’t like how USATF, why not become a part of the organization and make a difference. It is a mostly volunteer organization. It isn’t too hard to have a voice and make a difference. Every state has at least one USATF organization that feeds into the National office. Take control and make changes. People like to complain about USATF but they don’t do anything to help the organization. They have the quarterly meeting in each association and annual meeting, in Columbus, OH. Volunteer, be involved, and stop whining!
Sorry, but I really hate the "they're just volunteers" excuse for negligence. I volunteer one evening per week to run a clinic that provides healthcare for a specific subset of my city's homeless population. It would be absolutely reprehensible for me to make blatant and avoidable medical mistakes and then throw up my hands and say "hey, I'm only a volunteer!" when my mistakes lead to problems. If something is worth doing, it is worth doing right, whether it's your day job or your volunteer gig.
No, I'm not going to volunteer for USATF. I have other causes that I devote my free time to (like the one mentioned above). But I'll make my friends at USATF a deal: I'll keep not killing people at my volunteer gig, and I'll just ask that you go ahead and not make a total clusterfuck of your own volunteer work. Deal?
Philly cheesesteak wrote:
Change.org wrote:
FIRE MAX SIEGEL!!!!!
That’s all well & good, but who are you going to replace him with? Who can you trust that can navigate through the clown show that is the USATF board of directors who basically have him as their stooge?
I’m guessing that he will be at Nike Prefontaine Classic. Love to see someone confront him on the Pan Am mess.
The money man, Phil Knight, should be the one to do that. It is his money that is propping up USAT&F.
Luv2Run wrote:
XCisKing wrote:
What can we do to hold USATF accountable and demand ACTUAL change from the top on down? This situation is extremely upsetting. As a running community we cannot let USATF get away with this. The ineptitude has gone on too long with no consequences. I am just frustrated that I don't know what we as fans and active participants in our sport can do...
1) Be a member
2) Show up to vote when it is time. (Having to vote in person is a nice barrier though).
Show up in Hawaii or some other exotic locale? On your own dime.
The NACAC U-23 selections were also be done from the 2019 list. What list was used? 2019, 2018-19 or some undefined process?
Within 30 days and no official list of entrants on website.
Are all the updates just coming via social media?
Where is the USATF leadership?
Where is the list that was submitted? wrote:
Within 30 days and no official list of entrants on website.
T&F is August 6-10.
Where is the list that was submitted? wrote:
Within 30 days and no official list of entrants on website.
Are all the updates just coming via social media?
Where is the USATF leadership?
Appamretyl they’ve got their heads up each other’s @sses so they passed the job on the interns
It may be worth significantly more. See below:
McCandless v. USA Track and Field, AAA 01 15 0004 2085 (Feb. 29, 2016) (Jeffrey G. Benz, Arb.)
messi wrote:
Luv2Run wrote:
1) Be a member
2) Show up to vote when it is time. (Having to vote in person is a nice barrier though).
Show up in Hawaii or some other exotic locale? On your own dime.
The USATF Annual Meeting is going to be in Reno the next two years, Orlando the two years after that. How exotic/convenient that is for you depends on where you are.
Express your rights wrote:
1) Arbitrator found that 2019 marks were required to be used
2) Arbitrator determined the guys who filed had to be given spots based upon 2019 marks
3) USATF has emailed 2018 mark athletes saying nothing has changed.
Athletes with 2019 marks should file a complaint with USOC and start arbitration.
Maybe talk to the athletes who won the arbitration
That's pretty much what we are hearing.
We were told that Scott Simmons Section 9 hearing was successful and that he got some guys in on the 2019 times alone. We were told it only applies to the mens' 10 and men's steeple as that's what he filed his grievance on. It's pretty ironic though as now Simmons has guys in under both sets of rules. Based of his appeal and the Section 9 ruling to use only 2019 marks, Benard Keter (8:29.74) is in the steeple as is Lawi Lalang in the 10k. And Shadrack KIpchirchir is in the 5000 based off of 2018-2019 marks.
Gosh this is fucked up.
Someone wrote that it costs $2000 to do a Section 9 grievance. Can someone link to where that is stated? If that's true, I think we should crowdfund the money for an appeal and include everyone that wants in. So if you are interested, email me at
robert@letsrun.comwith the title *Pan Ams*.
i'm all for the ustaf and iaaf
39 DQs are awesome, discipline is the key.
rules are made to be broken, by authorities only.
plus banning the 5k and 10k from the olympics is a great idea.
why not ban track all together, and bring in like snooker and synchronized ping pong
i'm waiting for the perfect indoor event, where they ban the whole field, it's like the perfect game.
they knocked out 4 out of 6 in the 400m indoor champs,
only 2 away from the perfect game.
awesome.
raise their salaries. and keep them in for life,
three cheers for the ustaf.