I have 23.0 200m speed can I run 1:44

While I like to think outside the box...the likelihood of you or anyone else with 23.0 200m speed running 1:44 800m is highly improbable. Without improving your 200m your 400m pb cant be better than 50.2 and its next to impossible for you to spilt 52/52 or 51

53. So until you improve your 200m speed aim at slower 800m goal.

VIPAM wrote:

While I like to think outside the box...the likelihood of you or anyone else with 23.0 200m speed running 1:44 800m is highly improbable. Without improving your 200m your 400m pb cant be better than 50.2 and its next to impossible for you to spilt 52/52 or 51

53. So until you improve your 200m speed aim at slower 800m goal.

Why can't he break 50.2 with 23?

Can someone break 44.2 with 20? Don't most 44 second runners run slower than 20? (Probably about 20.5 for a lot of them).

I'd say I typical 400 time for an 23.0 for an 800m specialist would be 49 or slightly faster, then a typical 800 from around 49 would be 1:48-1:52. But that's an 800m specialist, not one who focuses on longer distances.

VIPAM wrote:

While I like to think outside the box...the likelihood of you or anyone else with 23.0 200m speed running 1:44 800m is highly improbable. Without improving your 200m your 400m pb cant be better than 50.2 and its next to impossible for you to spilt 52/52 or 51

53. So until you improve your 200m speed aim at slower 800m goal.

OP has already stated his 400pb as 48,6.

Eurorum wrote:

VIPAM wrote:

While I like to think outside the box...the likelihood of you or anyone else with 23.0 200m speed running 1:44 800m is highly improbable. Without improving your 200m your 400m pb cant be better than 50.2 and its next to impossible for you to spilt 52/52 or 51

53. So until you improve your 200m speed aim at slower 800m goal.

OP has already stated his 400pb as 48,6.

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Maybe relay spilt but not an open 400m

Statto wrote:

VIPAM wrote:

While I like to think outside the box...the likelihood of you or anyone else with 23.0 200m speed running 1:44 800m is highly improbable. Without improving your 200m your 400m pb cant be better than 50.2 and its next to impossible for you to spilt 52/52 or 51

53. So until you improve your 200m speed aim at slower 800m goal.

Why can't he break 50.2 with 23?

Can someone break 44.2 with 20? Don't most 44 second runners run slower than 20? (Probably about 20.5 for a lot of them).

I'd say I typical 400 time for an 23.0 for an 800m specialist would be 49 or slightly faster, then a typical 800 from around 49 would be 1:48-1:52. But that's an 800m specialist, not one who focuses on longer distances.

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Name someone who ran 44.19 open 400m with a pb 200m of only 20.50?

VIPAM wrote:

Eurorum wrote:

OP has already stated his 400pb as 48,6.

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Maybe relay spilt but not an open 400m

Sub 48 on 23,22

50,2 was the limit huh?

Sprintgeezer wrote:

gahagand wrote:

Nick Symmonds was an example of a guy who was not very good at 200/400 for his 800 times, and he could still run 21.xx in the 200 for a 1:42 800.

Evidence?

Looking at him from a sprinter's perspective, there is NO WAY he could ever go 21.xx FAT from blocks.

No way.

21.99 hand timed with a flying start, maybe.

Right there is your 23-second sub-1:44 athlete, at least as far as FAT from blocks goes. Maybe even hand-timed from a standing start. Blocky, no turnover, no stride length, no pop, long contact time, body posture all wrong, arm action totally wrong, no evidence of acceleration, no evidence of high maximum speed, no evidence of drive from blocks.

I would like to see your evidence.

longjack wrote:

in general no 23.0 does not cut it, that is if you worked at the 200.

you might get by with 22.5... 22.0 works.

21x is what you need to go 141.

some guys have the lousy 200m time and run a good 8, but they never run the 200 for quality, more for a workout, so it's all smoke and mirrors.

same thing goes for the 400m times of the 800m runners, guys like cram struggle in practice to go sub 49, but that's in

the middle of training and sharpening for the mile, so the PR is bulllshit in these cases.

rest assured that a guy that can go out in 50 flat, and come back in 52 mid running wide, and beats a 141 guy, he can do sub 48....

The Aussie girl who got silver in the 800 at World U20s in Finland this year has a 400PR of 53.95. But in the 4x400 she took Australia from 4th to 2nd on the last leg, splitting 51.4. That's when 800 runners get some idea of what they're really capable of over 400.

gahagand wrote:

Straight up? No, not really. I don't personally know a single sub-1:50 guy who can't go under 23, much less 1:44.

Are you serious? There are plenty of milers sub 1:48 who can’t crack 23 in a 200m. Many probably can’t crack 49 in a 400m, which they would surely be better at than a 200.

And your nick symmonds example is bogus. You picked a pure 800m runner. And where’s proof of symmonds running 21.XX? I know he’s done flying 22.XX in workouts, which would make It pretty close for him to break 23 in a FAT 200m. And he’s run 1:42.9, which is way better than 1:44

VIPAM wrote:

Statto wrote:

Why can't he break 50.2 with 23?

Can someone break 44.2 with 20? Don't most 44 second runners run slower than 20? (Probably about 20.5 for a lot of them).

I'd say I typical 400 time for an 23.0 for an 800m specialist would be 49 or slightly faster, then a typical 800 from around 49 would be 1:48-1:52. But that's an 800m specialist, not one who focuses on longer distances.

.......

Name someone who ran 44.19 open 400m with a pb 200m of only 20.50?

I haven't examined anyone with a 44.19, but there are plenty of examples of this kind of conversion for slightly slower runners (really we should be more interesting in runners who aren't world class, because we are considering a 23 200 runner).

For example Iwan Thomas has a better conversion that 20.5, 44.19. I think multiplying 200 time by 2 and adding 3 seconds is reasonable, but these are examples where they added less than that. I'm sure there are others (I just did a quick scan of the UK all time list). Also, wind readings lend credence to the likelihood that these were run in good conditions.

200m wind reading in brackets

Iwan Thomas 20.87 (1.9), 44.36 (+2.62)

Jamie Baulch 20.84 (2.0), 44.57 (+2.89)

Kriss Akabusi 21.22, 44.93 (+2.49)

David Grindley 20.89 (2.5w), 44.47 (+2.69)

Du'aine Ladejo 20.96 (1.5) , 44.66 (+2.74)

Derek Redmond 21.06 (-0.2), 44.50 (+2.38)

workout of the day wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Evidence?

Looking at him from a sprinter's perspective, there is NO WAY he could ever go 21.xx FAT from blocks.

No way.

21.99 hand timed with a flying start, maybe.

Right there is your 23-second sub-1:44 athlete, at least as far as FAT from blocks goes. Maybe even hand-timed from a standing start. Blocky, no turnover, no stride length, no pop, long contact time, body posture all wrong, arm action totally wrong, no evidence of acceleration, no evidence of high maximum speed, no evidence of drive from blocks.

I would like to see your evidence.

https://www.highperformancewest.com/workout-of-the-day/2017/12/18

Symmonds did all of those reps with a flying start, so like was said before, he’d be hard pressed to break 23 in a FAT 200m from blocks.

And 1:43 man Alan Webb said he could have never hit any of those splits symmonds hit on that workout, which makes me think he’d be even slower over 200m than symmonds, despite STILL being under 1:44

VIPAM wrote:

Name someone who ran 44.19 open 400m with a pb 200m of only 20.50?

This only goes to 20.39, but Samson Kitur (44.18) and Anthuan Maybank (44.15) and Kirani James (43.74) don't appear. Also Alberto Juanterana (44.26) has run this fast. Does this really surprise you?

Statto wrote:

VIPAM wrote:

Name someone who ran 44.19 open 400m with a pb 200m of only 20.50?

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_200ok.htm

This only goes to 20.39, but Samson Kitur (44.18) and Anthuan Maybank (44.15) and Kirani James (43.74) don't appear. Also Alberto Juanterana (44.26) has run this fast. Does this really surprise you?

I meant Juanterana (44.26) hasn't run this fast (sub 20.40 and probably not sub 20.50)