transferguy wrote:
If someone transfers schools should they be able to hold the school record at their new school? Using some of your logic...no.
Not unless they can do 3 backflips in a row while whistling Dixie. There are different rules for that one.
Dang I hate it when I don't get the first stupid comment in. Good job Brett, you got me.
Sorry about that. I just I thought I gave you ample time based on the stupidity of the last few arguments to get in a comment. Haha!
Speeve wrote:
That sounds about right. Lagat must have known he wanted to become a US citizen for a LONG time. The United States can't tell Kenya what they should do about Lagat's breaking their rules, but in the spirit of the running community we shouldn't be rewarding someone who broke his own country's laws, US citizen or not
So are you saying that Lagat's citizenship, and timing of citizenship, and duration of citizenship are not the issue? Are you saying that breaking rules/laws of an entirely different entity are the issue? Should we not allow any prior felons to be eligible to set American Records? How about anyone with a speeding ticket? How about anyone who cheated in college?
He probably won't break the record anyway, now that he's an AMERICAN.
How about you have to be a citizen of the USA for 51% of your life to be elligible for an AR? That solves the problem of certain foreign runners switching citizenships just to get records while allowing people who have not lived in the US for 51% of their lives to still be able to set records (so long as they have been citizens).
"No Offense" - you are hilarious...your sense of humor is all too clever for these message boards. You should pursue some sort of career in stand-up comedy, really!! man you are funny.
Absolutely not. No Zimbabwean refugees, for example. It would be disrespectful to President Mugabe if we allowed citizenship and records to "lawbreakers" from his country.
Side note: If Lagat ordered the McDonald's Filet-O-Fish, would we reconsider the size 9 rule? That thing is sick.
druggie drug drug wrote:
Absolutely not. No Zimbabwean refugees, for example. It would be disrespectful to President Mugabe if we allowed citizenship and records to "lawbreakers" from his country.
Side note: If Lagat ordered the McDonald's Filet-O-Fish, would we reconsider the size 9 rule? That thing is sick.
Well if he got the filet of fish, it'd be a tough call. If he started accusing everyone of taking EPO and ordered the filet of fish, then he could be a US Citizen and hold US records.
Infantile sarcasm only demonstrates thet you've been whupped.
very annoying isnt it???
You know what? The guys who should really weigh in on this are the American Record holders, or former, I would ne interested in their perspective.
I think Lagat should be considered a de facto citizen of the US same as KK. They both trained in the US, they made their noise in the US. Hell, it's not Lagat's fault we suck. Goucher dusted his ass years ago so it's not like Lagat is some prodigy. Gives Webb something to shoot for. Competition is a GOOD THING. Lagat is old, Webb is young, whatever record Lagat sets Webb will eventually break.
Alan
I am on both sides wrote:
very annoying isnt it???
Not really, when you consider that they've probably have not reached 18 years of age.
The only real difference is somebody like Meb was trained in the US. Meb is a product of US training and competition. He is part of the fabric of US distance running. Lagat did most of his key development in Kenya. Lagat is an import and Meb is a homegrown talent. Still Lagat has ever right to become a US citizen. He will only make US runners better. Do you think Webb and Lagat are going to pussy foot in the US championships. For the next few years we won't have to suffer through US championships run at a 3:45 pace.
??? wrote:
Infantile sarcasm only demonstrates thet you've been whupped.
This is fantastic: "infantile" and "whupped" in the same sentence. Don't see that often enough.
In fact, sarcasm is a great way to ridicule your suggestion that Lagat's breaking a Kenyan rule should preclude him from holding ARs. Cloaking jealousy in some lie about honouring the systems of other countries is plainly a non-starter.
Lagat = American. If Lagat's time as an American is faster than the record, he's the "American record" holder. Very simple stuff. Clearly, you would like it to be the "American who was born in America and carried out one or more years of secondary education in America" record. But it's not. Stomp your little foot all you like.
What about the hundreds of American kids going to high school abroad? (e.g. many millitary families) By the rather idiotic rules you have proposed, they would be disqualified from American records.
Of course, that's why your ideas are impotent rambling on an internet message board (amazingly, you know you're talking to high school students, but that doesn't phase you), and the rules are produced by saner heads.
(Before you reply, let me type your first sentence for you, because I know you love this one: "Hey, stop, like, bastardizing our language with your, um, PC crap. Yeah.")
put a fork in ???'s stupid thread. it's done.
It's not a "stupid thread" at all.
An asterisk behind a potential record is surely less draconian than the IAAF's three year international competition ban exacted on Lagat. It certainly would not be out of line for USTAF to have a codified period of down time for recently naturalized athletes.
Lagat is a "naturalized citizen", and there a distinction in the law, however small, between his status and that of a native born citizen.
*****************WOW!!!!!!! Everyone in this thread is an idiot. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!!! I'm sorry no matter how I feel, what rules are there are gonna be enacted. Quit making yourselves sound like blippin morons and move on with your life and talk about something worth talking about. You guys are beating a dead horse with a stick and if you went back and read some of your posts I'm sure you'd think...dang I'm an idiot for saying you have to eat McDonald's and whatever else. NCAA's are right around the corner along with the U.S. championships, lets focus on the Pre meet with a PHENOMENAL race in the 2 mile about to be dualed out. No one's gonna be happy with the final outcome, but its gonna happen and your gonna have to live with it. How many people posting here actually have a shot at an AR anyways? Probably none of you, because by the looks of it, no one has been out training, b/c they've been sitting on their butts trying to find new ways to bash Lagat and any other runner they are jealous of because they will never be half as good as them. Grow up and get a life and lets move on.....*******************
P.S. Tim Montgomery's drug cheated 100 better be asteriked, because it should be Mo Greene's until he gets caught ;)
??? wrote:
No, it's a very serious thread. Lagat is a great (perhaps at times, drug aided runner), but he has treaded the earth 99% of his life as a Kenyan citizen. In 27 years he can try for the American record and get a double asterisk if he's successful.
But he has spent more than a 1/3 of it living on american soil.
BA wrote:
Yup. Believe it or not, being the AR-holder is not a political position.
Our AR-holders should have to live in this country for a certain length of time or since a certain age (which is better in my opinion) to set a record. Why is this deemed racist or being overly exclusive? I will never understand that.
By the way, don't you have to live here for a certain length of time to be governor? I don't think you can just move here and run for governor. Maybe I'm wrong though.
No, No you don't not, at least in California. Just a US citizen.