LOLZ Some of these guys make these small boxers out to be super human.
When your livelihood depends on being able to hit someone hard, it tends to optimize your fighting (cap)abilities to a significant degree.
LOLZ Some of these guys make these small boxers out to be super human.
When your livelihood depends on being able to hit someone hard, it tends to optimize your fighting (cap)abilities to a significant degree.
An earlier poster mentioned the 900-pounds of force from a blow delivered by 150-pound Ricky Patton. The boxer WILL connect unless the 200-pound guy sucker punches him. And when the boxer connects - either to the face or somewhere us - the larger guy is going to be suffering.
Corsicana Cal wrote:
An earlier poster mentioned the 900-pounds of force from a blow delivered by 150-pound Ricky Patton. The boxer WILL connect unless the 200-pound guy sucker punches him. And when the boxer connects - either to the face or somewhere us - the larger guy is going to be suffering.
150lbs != 125lbs.
900 lb gorilla wrote:
Corsicana Cal wrote:
An earlier poster mentioned the 900-pounds of force from a blow delivered by 150-pound Ricky Patton. The boxer WILL connect unless the 200-pound guy sucker punches him. And when the boxer connects - either to the face or somewhere us - the larger guy is going to be suffering.
150lbs != 125lbs.
But as someone mentioned earlier, Lomachenko could fight a 200lb untrained guy for 2000 rounds and probably not get cleanly hit once. He's simply too good.
In a street fight with a guy like that, unless the big guy got the jump he'd probably have broken ribs and be severely winded within moments, leaving him no hope of using his extra weight to any effect.
He just stopped because it would just be considered assault at that point. If he really feared for his life, from that position he could have put the guy out of comission easily or even kill him.
It's two football players but just imagine if it was a professional boxer landing the hit and not just another football player taking a cheap shot.
The bigger guy would try to puff up his chest and use his size just like the guy in the video, exposing himself to a perfect shot.
There is a science to punching and most people don't know how to properly throw a punch. The big guy on paper should be able to produce a powerful hit but not if he doesn't throw his weight and step into it like a professional would do.
So the 200 pound guy, unless he has 200 pound arms, is not going to hit with as much force as you think unless he knows how to throw his weight behind the punch...which would likelysuggest he has some training...
The 200 LBS athlete would literally just pick up the 125 LBS boxer and chuck him across the room. You all are stupid.
This is a featherweight professional boxer
http://photo.boxingscene.com/uploads/kid-galahad_3.jpg
Here are some 200 LBS pro football players
Floyd Mayweater was 125 pounds on the dot when he was in this match. Those of you who think the 125 pounder would lose will reconsider after watching a very good boxer. He wasn't even pro at the time.
Not all 125 pounds is distributed equally...
Unlike a 125 pound distance runner, the 125 boxer's weight will be primarily concentrated in their torso from which most of their power is delivered.
With skinnier quick legs and feet.
We aren't talking about a boxing match where you can dance around all day with a guy your same height and weight.
Well, that's what it will turn into, minus the weight part. A boxer has enough smarts not to get in close range and will just be too quick for the bigger untrained guy. How fast do you think the boxer can circle the bigger guy and take choice hits while at the same time evading the other guy's reach??? You do know that boxers are skilled in getting out of arm reach right? It's par for the course in their training. The bigger guy might stand a chance if the fight was in an elevator where the boxer's mobility was severely restricted. But in an open room, the PROFESSIONAL BOXER wins hands down.
notafatty wrote:
We aren't talking about a boxing match where you can dance around all day with a guy your same height and weight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FwOEhkHilw
And all you super fans of the tiny pro boxer keep giving examples of the absolute best fighters in the world, not just any pro boxer. Also do you know why they can knock out other little boxers? It isn't the impact force, it is what happens to the whole head from the impact. They hit another little guy with a skinny neck and the head snaps back forcing the brain to slosh around in the skull causing a knockout. They aren't going to snap the head back of a guy with 75 LBS of muscle on them.
markschultz40 wrote:
Well, that's what it will turn into, minus the weight part. A boxer has enough smarts not to get in close range and will just be too quick for the bigger untrained guy. How fast do you think the boxer can circle the bigger guy and take choice hits while at the same time evading the other guy's reach???
So your answer is the little guy will just run away from the bigger guy? Sound about right.
notafatty wrote:
markschultz40 wrote:
Well, that's what it will turn into, minus the weight part. A boxer has enough smarts not to get in close range and will just be too quick for the bigger untrained guy. How fast do you think the boxer can circle the bigger guy and take choice hits while at the same time evading the other guy's reach???
So your answer is the little guy will just run away from the bigger guy? Sound about right.
It's called being tactical. A runningback doesn't just run into a a wall of defensive linemen unless the absolutely have no choice. Otherwise, they try to evade them and fake them out until they get a touchdown.
You said it's a fight, not a wrestling or boxing match. So circling the guy and taking choice shots, while at the same time evading their reach, is what someone intelligent would do.
You turn the fight into your fight. It's why wrestlers will try to take you to the ground in a fight instead of standing up and boxing, and then you losers cry foul when you get choked out and say the wrestler isn't really fighting fair. WTH kinda crap is that?
notafatty wrote:
And all you super fans of the tiny pro boxer keep giving examples of the absolute best fighters in the world, not just any pro boxer. Also do you know why they can knock out other little boxers? It isn't the impact force, it is what happens to the whole head from the impact. They hit another little guy with a skinny neck and the head snaps back forcing the brain to slosh around in the skull causing a knockout. They aren't going to snap the head back of a guy with 75 LBS of muscle on them.
Who said anything about knockout?
Here's my problem with this thread: People are arguing absolutes when the only absolute is that we absolutely don't have enough information.
If I watch stupid Kimbo Slice videos, for example, I see him beating up 200 pound guys in boatyards who think they can fight and can take a punch or two but deliver punches very poorly, have no lateral movement and are sitting ducks for return fire. I think the 125-pound boxer would dispatch these clowns as fast as Kimbo did, in many cases.
But does that mean the boxer could beat "any" 6-2, 200 pound athletic guy? No. And the thread title says "any."
And how good is this professional boxer? 20-0? 20-4? 4-4? 4-8? Doesn't that matter?
I think the closest case we see from this thread is the high school wrestler taking down the 34-year old guy and whipping his ass. If the boxer gets to fight THAT guy, it's case closed. But I'm not sure that guy meets the threshold for "athletic."
I imagine most of you have seen a street fight and know that they can end very quickly and unpredictably which is why even a good fighter is wise to avoid one. There's a lot of luck when fists are flying, so ruling out the bigger guy in every case, without laying eyes on either hypothetical person, is a bit too absolute for me.
markschultz40 wrote:
Well, that's what it will turn into, minus the weight part. A boxer has enough smarts not to get in close range and will just be too quick for the bigger untrained guy. How fast do you think the boxer can circle the bigger guy and take choice hits while at the same time evading the other guy's reach???
You do know that boxers are skilled in getting out of arm reach right? It's par for the course in their training. The bigger guy might stand a chance if the fight was in an elevator where the boxer's mobility was severely restricted. But in an open room, the PROFESSIONAL BOXER wins hands down.
notafatty wrote:
We aren't talking about a boxing match where you can dance around all day with a guy your same height and weight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FwOEhkHilw
They are trained to keep out of arms reach of other 125lbers, not 6'2" guys. They just aren't trained for that. They would make a miscalculation, get in too close and then it would be lights out.
RossiCheated wrote:
I think the closest case we see from this thread is the high school wrestler taking down the 34-year old guy and whipping his ass. If the boxer gets to fight THAT guy, it's case closed. But I'm not sure that guy meets the threshold for "athletic."
Yep. And THAT guy just got up after being pummeled by the little guy. Not enough power to do a lot of damage.
These boxing folks see a 125 lber wail on another guy the same size and revel at the power, quickness, etc. However, when he is next to a 6"2' person, it looks like a little kid with no power. In addition, the small guy could never get in close with a real distinct reach disadvantage. Then when to big guy gets a hold of him, the flyweight really would start to fly across the room.
Umm, the kid was clearly showing mercy. He could have choked the guy to sleep. Do you all conveniently ignore the fact that the big guy was ALLOWED to get up?? You really don't think the kid could have f-ed him up even more if he chose to? And a professional boxer his size who is trained at boxing is going to obviously hit harder than that kid was hitting...
case closed wrote:
RossiCheated wrote:
I think the closest case we see from this thread is the high school wrestler taking down the 34-year old guy and whipping his ass. If the boxer gets to fight THAT guy, it's case closed. But I'm not sure that guy meets the threshold for "athletic."
Yep. And THAT guy just got up after being pummeled by the little guy. Not enough power to do a lot of damage.
These boxing folks see a 125 lber wail on another guy the same size and revel at the power, quickness, etc. However, when he is next to a 6"2' person, it looks like a little kid with no power. In addition, the small guy could never get in close with a real distinct reach disadvantage. Then when to big guy gets a hold of him, the flyweight really would start to fly across the room.
