theJeff wrote:
Are you serious? wrote:
Um, what? Yahweh/God/Allah are all the same thing and need to be taught.
An ignorant and unfortunately common misconception.
theJeff wrote:
Are you serious? wrote:
Um, what? Yahweh/God/Allah are all the same thing and need to be taught.
An ignorant and unfortunately common misconception.
portsea57 wrote:
theJeff wrote:
An ignorant and unfortunately common misconception.
Jeff your beliefs are the result of brainwashing!
portsea57 wrote:
portsea57 wrote:
Jeff your beliefs are the result of brainwashing!
My beliefs are the result of my own research, meditation, and prayer. I wholly rejected the Gospels in my youth, for what it’s worth.
You think the Jewish Yahweh, Christian Trinity, and Muslim Allah are all the same? What are you basing that on? Do you also think all women are the same? All black people?
theJeff wrote:
portsea57 wrote:
Jeff your beliefs are the result of brainwashing!
My beliefs are the result of my own research, meditation, and prayer. I wholly rejected the Gospels in my youth, for what it’s worth.
You think the Jewish Yahweh, Christian Trinity, and Muslim Allah are all the same? What are you basing that on? Do you also think all women are the same? All black people?
Well, the God of your Old Testament is the God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
How can you believe otherwise?
Or are you one of those notorious "cherry picking Christians" that all but dismisses the God of the Old Testament and only follows the teachings of his son ( who, amazingly, is also the God of the Old Testament! ).
It is all so silly and stupid.
Remember the following saying: "Don't let your desires dictate your beliefs".
theJeff wrote:
You think the Jewish Yahweh, Christian Trinity, and Muslim Allah are all the same? What are you basing that on? Do you also think all women are the same? All black people?
Because they are all Abrahamic in origin. All of the things they have in common show that.
Of course it's all imaginary but it's the same imagination.
Your women and black people references are meaningless.
portsea57 wrote:
theJeff wrote:
My beliefs are the result of my own research, meditation, and prayer. I wholly rejected the Gospels in my youth, for what it’s worth.
You think the Jewish Yahweh, Christian Trinity, and Muslim Allah are all the same? What are you basing that on? Do you also think all women are the same? All black people?
Well, the God of your Old Testament is the God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
How can you believe otherwise?
Or are you one of those notorious "cherry picking Christians" that all but dismisses the God of the Old Testament and only follows the teachings of his son ( who, amazingly, is also the God of the Old Testament! ).
It is all so silly and stupid.
Remember the following saying: "Don't let your desires dictate your beliefs".
As a Christian, I believe that the God of the OT is absolutely the God of the NT. A Jew would reject that.
Allah is a perversion of God the Father, one-third of the Trinity.
Both Jews and Muslims reject the Trinity.
I feel like I have reasonably addressed your concern; now please answer my question.
theJeff wrote:
portsea57 wrote:
Well, the God of your Old Testament is the God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
How can you believe otherwise?
Or are you one of those notorious "cherry picking Christians" that all but dismisses the God of the Old Testament and only follows the teachings of his son ( who, amazingly, is also the God of the Old Testament! ).
It is all so silly and stupid.
Remember the following saying: "Don't let your desires dictate your beliefs".
As a Christian, I believe that the God of the OT is absolutely the God of the NT. A Jew would reject that.
Allah is a perversion of God the Father, one-third of the Trinity.
Both Jews and Muslims reject the Trinity.
I feel like I have reasonably addressed your concern; now please answer my question.
All still the same thing.
A Jew would j say your God of the NT is just a perversion of theirs as you think Allah is a perversion of the first two.
It's a matter of who believes "He" is telling them the right word.
The whole Trinity thing isn't part of the discussion. Just focus on the primary subject here.
Thank you for supporting my point that they are not “all the same God”.
theJeff wrote:
Thank you for supporting my point that they are not “all the same God”.
Nice try. No, I did not "support your point".
So when did "your" God first show up for mankind then?
Jeff, you are silly!
The trinity was "invented" so that Jesus could also be God!
It's a bit like the old comedy song " I'm My Own Grandpa".
The New Testament is such an manipulated piece of fiction, and is full of wholes.
For example, how come Jesus - the prophesied Messiah - is rejected by the very people ( his chosen people) that he is sent to Earth to save!
What a mess!
The invented God of the Old Testament is a blood thirsty nutter, and Jesus is the exact opposite i.e. a hippy "make love not war" type. But, the strange thing is that the God of the Old Testament and Jesus are the same entity.
Jeff, you're an adult now, use the brain that God certainly didn't give you.
portsea57 wrote:
Jeff, you are silly!
The trinity was "invented" so that Jesus could also be God!
It's a bit like the old comedy song " I'm My Own Grandpa".
The New Testament is such an manipulated piece of fiction, and is full of wholes.
For example, how come Jesus - the prophesied Messiah - is rejected by the very people ( his chosen people) that he is sent to Earth to save!
What a mess!
The invented God of the Old Testament is a blood thirsty nutter, and Jesus is the exact opposite i.e. a hippy "make love not war" type. But, the strange thing is that the God of the Old Testament and Jesus are the same entity.
Jeff, you're an adult now, use the brain that God certainly didn't give you.
That should be "holes"...and not "wholes"
An "edit option " would be a nice touch.
portsea57 wrote:
An "edit option " would be a nice touch.
That's what the Bible writers said.
everybody take a hike this thread has become jeff and atheists arguing over religion
For the Jews but more for me really wrote:
theJeff wrote:
Thank you for supporting my point that they are not “all the same God”.
Nice try. No, I did not "support your point".
So when did "your" God first show up for mankind then?
Why would the Jews consider the Trinity a perversion of Yahweh if they were the same God? You absolutely supported my point.
If God is eternal, he didn’t “show up”. That is like asking what the color blue smells like.
RejectHobbyJogger wrote:
everybody take a hike this thread has become jeff and atheists arguing over religion
I don’t mind good natured discussion. Especially about God on Christmas Eve :-)
theJeff wrote:
For the Jews but more for me really wrote:
Nice try. No, I did not "support your point".
So when did "your" God first show up for mankind then?
Why would the Jews consider the Trinity a perversion of Yahweh if they were the same God? You absolutely supported my point.
If God is eternal, he didn’t “show up”. That is like asking what the color blue smells like.
Jeff, Jeff, JEFF.
The Christians totally messed around with the concept of there only being one God when they introduced the "three in one concept", and the Jews weren't going to buy into that piece of obvious fabrication.
portsea57 wrote:
theJeff wrote:
Why would the Jews consider the Trinity a perversion of Yahweh if they were the same God? You absolutely supported my point.
If God is eternal, he didn’t “show up”. That is like asking what the color blue smells like.
Jeff, Jeff, JEFF.
The Christians totally messed around with the concept of there only being one God when they introduced the "three in one concept", and the Jews weren't going to buy into that piece of obvious fabrication.
So, we agree that they are not the same God. Finally :-)
theJeff wrote:
RejectRunner wrote:
Jeff, I know you are very religious and I respect that. We all find our own meanings in life. Religion can keep kids in order and be a good place to meet new people in an organization. BUT, you cant deny the numerous sexual abuse cases, terrorist agendas and hate it has caused the world. Do you honestly think the world would be worse if religion did not exist?
Religion is one of the most abused ideas in all of human history. Humans have, under the banner of religion, killed, raped, plundered, and basically been assholes to other humans since the first caveman asked where the sun went at night.
Remember this: religion doesn't kill people. Swords and guns don't kill people. People kill people. Take away religion, and we will still find a way to kill the sh!t out of ourselves. Just ask Stalin.
But Christ gives us 1. an explanation for our sick, fallen world, 2. hope for a better life after death, and 3. a reason to love others, even those different from ourselves. Remember, Christ didn't die for strangers; he died for people who actively hated him.
I know this isn't fair to ask, but: try not to judge Christ by the actions of us fallen Christians.
Very well said.
Jesus Christ, what an idiotic thread.
theJeff wrote:
For the Jews but more for me really wrote:
Nice try. No, I did not "support your point".
So when did "your" God first show up for mankind then?
Why would the Jews consider the Trinity a perversion of Yahweh if they were the same God? You absolutely supported my point.
If God is eternal, he didn’t “show up”. That is like asking what the color blue smells like.
Are you always so obtuse? Why would they want people borrowing their deity and changing the narrative?
You're saying there IS more than one God now?
I know you understood what I meant by show up but just in case when did God start talking to you guys and being involved on a speaking basis?
If God was eternal the Bible would be a lot older than it is.