Official 2017 NCAA XC Regional Discussion Thread - Find out who is dancing here

Regionals on a Friday, what is this nonsense.

Saturday at 3 pm EST

I think we could see some changes on the women's side near the end. In the justification, for the 30th spot, it says that Missouri and Indiana were tied with two points apiece. There was no head to head between them, so record against common opponents comes into play. Since I have that kind of time, I evaluated the records against common opponents, using the common opponents listed in the justification. I did not use the Bradley Pink Classic in the analysis because Missouri didn't run 5 of the girls it used in the Midwest Regional. I came up with records of 14-10 (.585) for Indiana and 13-10 (.565) for Missouri. Common opponents were BC, Brown, Iowa, Tulsa, Northwestern, Michigan, Dayton, Minnesota, Kentucky, Vandy, Bradley, Ohio State, Eastern Michigan, UMass Lowell, Toledo, Penn State, Miami (OH) and Iowa State. IU had wins against Brown, Boston College, and UMass Lowell at the Battle for Beantown, Iowa and Northwestern at Big Ten, Tulsa, Kentucky, and Vandy at Wisconsin Nuttycombe, Miami and Bradley at Sam Bell, and Dayton, Ohio State, Toledo and Miami at Great Lakes. Indiana had losses to Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio State, and Penn State at Big Ten, Michigan at Sam Bell, Eastern Michigan, Iowa State and Minnesota at Nuttycombe, and Michigan and Eastern Michigan at Great Lakes. Therefore, Indiana had a record of 14-10 (.583). Missouri had wins against Eastern Michigan and Miami at the Commodore Classic, Tulsa and Northwestern at the Cowboy Jamboree, Brown, Miami (OH), Boston College and UMass Lowell at PreNats, Kentucky and Vandy at the SEC, and Iowa and Bradley at the Midwest Regional. Missouri had losses to Ohio State and Vandy at the Commodore Classic, Penn State at the Cowboy Jamboree, Michigan, Ohio State, Toledo, Northwestern and Dayton at PreNats, and Iowa State and Minnesota at Midwest Regional. Missouri had a record of 13-10 (.565).

I welcome being proven wrong, but I think that means that IU then pushes in EMU to the 30th spot, and is placed 31st, bumping out Missouri and Virginia Tech.

rubar wrote:

Ogrerunner wrote:

Was the Iowa State course short for the Midwest Region? Hella fast times!

Don't think so. They cut out the back hills section, and ran a ~2k loop 5 times on super well maintained grass. Course has some small hills, but was flat for the most part. The course has irrigation, and the grounds crew had it in super nice shape.

The men's course was 30-40 seconds short because on the second to last lap they sent the men on the shorter turn instead of the extended one they take on the final half-lap. Distance was roughly .1 short.

Oops, Missouri also beat Tulsa and Northwestern at Midwest, which would bring their record to 14-10, instead of 13-10 (which was also stated incorrectly in the original post). Meaning, of course that the two teams had the same record against common opponents. Never mind. it stays as is.

I believe that you only need four of your regional runners for a countable win.

If they didn't run 5 of the runners that ran at Regional, then you can deduce that they didn't run 4.

NCAA's official announcement with the list of qualifiers.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/cross-country-men/article/2017-11-11/2017-division-i-mens-and-womens-cross-country-championship

Mizzou and Virginia Tech are not listed on the NCAA at large teams.

Karissa Schweizer in as an individual!

Flotrack, letsrun, and woodreport wrong?? or is the NCAA??

MIZ1932 wrote:

Mizzou and Virginia Tech are not listed on the NCAA at large teams.

Karissa Schweizer in as an individual!

Flotrack, letsrun, and woodreport wrong?? or is the NCAA??

Highly irresponsible on all three sites for posting such important information inaccurately. There are some devastated young ladies as a result.

Course distances are all over the place. It's XC so it doesn't matter. I really wonder though, why courses are rarely accurate, it just doesn't seem that hard to make course distance correct.

A few key factors affect the 'speed' of a course:

- Actual distance

- 'Hardness of surface'

- Footing

- Difficulty of terrain (e.g., hills)

- Sharpness of turns

- Weather/Wind

Yesterday was an exceptional example of the variablity across courses. Just look at the results. And yes, while these races tend to be more tactial, let's go with men under 30 min:

Region, Course, # Men under 30':

South, Alabama, 3

Midwest, Iowa St, 6

Great Lakes, Terra Haute, ZERO, winning time 30:54

Northeast, Buffalo, ZERO, winning time 31:53 (by the potential national champion)

Mid-Atlantic, Lehigh, ZERO, winning time 30:28

SouthCentral, College Station, 2

Mountain, Utah State, ZERO

Southeast, Charlottesville, 29?? REALLY?

West, Seattle, 23?

I don't know what was going on in Buffalo, but by the looks of it, it must have bee 12 degrees and straight up a mountain. I also wonder what sort of downhill, downwind conditions were at Charlottesville and Seattle. Anyone have any ideas?

Given what happened at Pre-Nats and Nationals, I expect to see 30-45 guys under 30min.

NCAA is not wrong . Others were

Fan of the sport wrote:

NCAA is not wrong . Others were

Where were others wrong???

RunCogRun wrote:

Highly irresponsible on all three sites for posting such important information inaccurately. There are some devastated young ladies as a result.

FAKE NEWS!

Thanks Gordon and Adam O from FloTrack wrote:

Women Auto Qualifiers through all 9 regions

1 Ole Miss 2 Georgetown 3 Arkansas 4 Texas 5 Penn State 6 Villanova 7 Providence College 8 Dartmouth 9 North Carolina State 10 Furman 11 Michigan 12 Michigan State 13 Iowa State 14 Oklahoma State 15 Colorado 16 University of New Mexico 17 San Francisco 18 Stanford

At Large

19 Oregon 20 Boise State 21 Wisconsin 22 Minnesota 23 California Berkeley 24 Washington 25 BYU 26 Utah State 27 Eastern Kentucky 28 Syracuse 29 Columbia 30 Missouri 31 Virginia Tech

First team out Louisville

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/11/projected-ncaa-cross-country-qualifiers-2017/

Men Auto Qualifiers through all 9 regions

1 Middle Tennessee 2 Ole Miss 3 Arkansas 4 Texas 5 Princeton 6 Navy 7 Syracuse 8 Iona 9 Furman 10 Virginia Tech 11 Michigan State 12 Michigan 13 Iowa State 14 Oklahoma State 15 Northern Arizona 16 Brigham Young 17 Portland 18 Washington

At Large

19 Stanford 20 Colorado 21 Colorado State 22 Oregon 23 UCLA 24 Air Force 25 Southern Utah 26 Utah State 27 Boise State 28 Washington State 29 Virginia 30 North Carolina State 31 Alabama

NCAA selected women cross country teams

Eastern Michigan

0 wins at Vanderbilt

1 win over Texas at Notre Dame 9/29

2 wins over Cal, Utah at wisconsin 10/13

0 wins at MAC Championship

4th at regionals

Indiana

0 wins at Indiana Intercollege 9/15

2 wins over dartmouth, syracuse at coast-to-coast 9/22

1 win over columbia 9/29 at sam bell

0 wins at wisconsin 10/13

0 wins at big 10 10/29

5th at regionals

NCAA did not select

Missouri

0 wins at vanderbilt 9/16

1 win over oklahoma state at oklahoma state cowbowgirl jamboree 9/30

0 wins at bradley pink classic 10/13

1 win over texas at prenationals 10/14

0 wins at sec championships 10/27

4th at regionals

Virginia Tech

0 wins at Virginia Tech 9/15

0 wins at Louisville Classic 9/30

0 wins at prenational (Missouri) 10/13

0 wins at acc championships

0 wins at Hokie Open

4th at regionals

WOMEN'S AT-LARGE TEAMS

Boise State

BYU

California

Columbia

Eastern Kentucky

Eastern Michigan

Indiana

Minnesota

Oregon

Syracuse

Utah State

Washington

Wisconsin

VT beat Texas at prenats

VT beat Syracuse at accs

It was exactly like I said in my 11:23 am post, except that the list of common opponents was wrong. There were several more that should have been included, but I was using the list from the letsrun justification. Turns out that Indiana had a 23-10 record against common opponents, and Missouri’s was 21-10. Therefore, the tiebreaker ends there and IU gets the nod. They pushed EMU into the 30th spot and were actually the last team in.

The "official" qualifiers on the homepage is still wrong regarding individuals. Two of the 4 individuals from Great Lakes are an IU woman and a EMU woman so those qualifiers should be different.

Credit given where credit is due. Mad props for calling this.