california dreamin' wrote:
Jvjv wrote:Why is the reading comprehe sion here so bad? I asked for proof of her and her teammates using drugs. Other Chinese people using drugs does not mean she or they did. Does Barry Bonds using drugs prove that all US athletes are using drugs? No.
Your original question was, "Is there any proof that she and the Chinese doped?"
The post you were responding to offers a pretty solid timeline of Chinese athletes doping in athletics and swimming. All of the banned distance track athletes were part of Junren's group.
You'll probably never get ironclad "proof" that the '93 - '97 athletes were doping--I doubt samples were saved for future tests and also doubt that China would allow samples to be retested--but keep in mind that Yunxia has allegedly stated that Junren's athletes (from '93 - '95) were forced to take illegal drugs.
Also consider: what conclusion would you draw if six NOP athletes tested positive for a banned substance in a one-week time period? Or six of Aden's athletes? Or six of any other group?
On Kratochvilova you'll have to make your own judgment; a lot of the records of the training have since been destroyed / hidden / are written in Czech or Russian and aren't available for public viewing / etc. There are various testimonies from Soviet, East German, USSR Satellite nations, etc. about state sponsored doping programs, and many athletes have come forward in the years since.
Obviously this does not necessarily mean that Kratochvilova doped; it does, however, mean that she was likely interacting with many coaches who knowingly gave their athletes illegal performance enhancing drugs. I'd hesitantly make the assumption that she was taking PEDs without her knowledge; many Eastern European athletes from the '70s and '80s and early '90s were not aware of what their coaches were giving them under the guise of vitamins/etc.
I admit that I have some bias here. One of my old coaches was cheated out of at least one Olympic medal by doping eastern European athletes whose medals were not stripped after their bans in later years, and it's impacted my views on the subject.
I do respect Kratochvilova's performances and acknowledge that her training was incredible. I just think given the circumstances of her time, it is reasonable to assume that her coaches were providing her--likely without her knowledge or consent--with some form of PEDs.
