Shannon Rowbury fires shots at Caster Semenya

Caster through no fault of her own needs a separate competitive category. The 3X T number, if true, is a medical reality that makes her competing with other women unfair. You have to feel for athletes like Shannon who are faced with the reality of racing someone with natural physiology that in essence guarantees a gold medal.

Finally someone says what is really at hand her that is unfair because of higher than normal testosterone levels to complete against women.

When her testosterone levels are lowered she can't compete at the level she was when her T is higher? How is this fair??

Her competitors took T to get to her levels - they would be dopers.

Come back after you have had the surgery.

i agree with spencer wrote:

oh then mr smarty pants MD, what exactly are you a doctor of?

if test has shown in your studies, again where are these facts? why do they TEST for it? if it isnt a big deal then why is the only real details of her results of the sex test is that she has internal undeveloped testes and 3x the amount of testosterone than average females? and was told she had to do hormone therapy to bring her testosterone levels down?

you prance around saying your an MD and blab on about studies and how you read this and that....

lets see the links then doc

geesus you are one stupid mofo

What a stupid B she continues to be. STFU Shannon. You won't make the podium with or without Caster. Caster has ovaries like you. Amd you run for Alberto so it isn't lile you are clean.

I have no opinion on Semyana, don't know if she's doping or not. But I do know that Rowbury is a NOPer, and every NOPer is a doper.

Also, we should just eliminate gender separation in sports. Everybody should compete equally. Rowbury would be lucky to win JV high school races. She has been benefiting from affirmative action her whole life.

i agree with spencer wrote:

maybe your right, but its annoying when there are so many people saying caster is a transgender and crying the unfair this and that while they applauded bruce jennner and gave him woman of the year.....its mind boggling to say the least.

Whatever message you're trying to get across is lost in the midst of your ridiculous diatribes.

Screaming and calling names is what two year olds do. It's not what rational adults do when they're trying to convince someone else of something.

Take a step back and think about that for a second.

^ this is THE issue in a nutshell. semenya has a competitive advantage. it has nothing to do with gender, bias, etc.

Shannon moved up to my #1 favorite current pro, calling it like it is, helping to protect girls and women everywhere

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

CWRP wrote:She's right. Biology is biology. If you have a Y chromosome you should compete against men no matter who you "identify" with.

Except sex is not binary. Semenya is probably a legitimately rare case of XX with some XY biology.

The problem being the way the IAAF is addressing this is horrible and has opened the door for T&F programs worldwide to end support of conventional XX athletes.

Semenya's events will be crazy.. They will have to use cameras from a helicopter to not make the casual viewers wonder why a Man is running a Women's event. Well, since this is the IAAF, maybe not.

If what you are saying is true, that after a chromosome test she is xx than she should compete with women. If she has a mutation that gives her an advantage so be it.

CWRP wrote:

If what you are saying is true, that after a chromosome test she is xx than she should compete with women. If she has a mutation that gives her an advantage so be it.

And now you've signaled to every national program in the world to end support of conventional XX competition.

This is not personal to Semenya. It is wrong to make it personal to her. It's the federation's handling of the situation. IMO, the only thing they see are new world records.

fisky wrote:

Here's some facts (and an opinion or two) that might help clear things up.

Normal female T levels = 0.52 - 2.4 nmol/L

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=129553

Normal male T levels = 9 - 38 nmol/L Same source

The 99th percentile for T concentration among women Olympians is 3.08 nmol/L - See more at:

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jc.2014-1391#sthash.ci2CERnX.dpuf

Using this data as some sort of benchmark compared to Semenya doesn't work. The population is all over the place.

After having removed five doped athletes and five DSD women from our population.

[i} Prevalence of hyperandrogenic 46 XY DSD in our athletic population is approximately 7 per 1000, which is 140 times higher than expected in the general population.

I'd also like to point out the study found 5 T&F athletes doping, with no sanctions. The tests done at Martial Saugy's lab.

Someone else saying what the IAAF dreamed up was, well, manufactured.

This arbitrary definition was chosen in the absence of normative statistics of androgen levels in a high-level athlete female population.

pop_pop_v2.2.1 wrote:

Prevalence of hyperandrogenic 46 XY DSD in our athletic population is approximately 7 per 1000, which is 140 times higher than expected in the general population.

140 times higher than a general population. Think about that.

ALL ELITES HAVE EXTRA SPECIAL ABILITIES!!!

It's not fair that average people can't compete, even with the best training!!! We've fought so long just to compete!!

do you not think that caster is attuned to how her body reacts to testosterone reducing medication and how it feels without? She runs wide now in the second lane of every race and crushes the last 100 in the range of 13 seconds and this is what you call a natural "human female?" do you think we are gullible enough, stupid enough to think that when she turns around at the end of her race and wants to shake hands and pretend that everything is normal, that the hundreds, actually thousands of legitimately female runners who have worked for years to be world class should shake her thieving hand? You obviously know a lot about the various mutations that can produce intersex athletes so please do enlighten us on the reality of consanguinity--perhaps i mispelled it, but what i am basically saying is that in developing nations (india, south africa, burrundi) intermarriage (interbreeding) occurs more frequently than it does it the west. Interbreeding is a behavior that is more likely to produce intersex children. In the west, parents are more likely to medically intervene early in an intersex child's life rather than allow them to mature in an indeterminate state. Not so in the developing world. Now that caster ( who lacks a uterus, apparently) is off the testosterone reducing medication, she knows, she feels the difference, the increase in her power. She is a thief, a liar, when she claims it is just fitness. You also, are a liar, an enemy of not only of sport, but of ethics, when you criticize rowbury's legitimate reaction to the cas's absurd judgement.

L Taravel wrote:

ALL ELITES HAVE EXTRA SPECIAL ABILITIES!!!

It's not fair that average people can't compete, even with the best training!!! We've fought so long just to compete!!

Uhh, so, you are telling me, a population where they identified 5 dopers that has androgenic tendencies 140 times the norm is that way because they are clean?

That's not the same as "they are all doping." But, somebody sure is in that sample population and I'm not talking about the 5 identified as doping.

Rowbury is a feminazi wrote:

captain obviouss.. wrote:

Rowbury says woman have fought for the right to compete? the F'cuk is she talking about? Sure maybe in 1960 but from her 1st run in high school til present she hasn't faced a shred of discrimination in terms of women not being allowed to race. wtf?

Yeah the women's lib part is retarded. At her age she NEVER saw that and it was a never a concern during her lifetime.

Freaking absurd that you would call her a feminazi for this. In her lifetime women weren't competing the same events at the Olympics, you dumb sh1t. They technically still don't when the multi-event is the heptathlon instead of the decathlon, but that's another issue.

Furthermore, just because the majority of the 'fight' she referenced did not happen to her doesn't mean it's untrue. Many men have fought to liberate America from Britain. OMG, what the f am I talking about, it never happened in my lifetime...oh wait, that doesn't matter, because the statement was still true.

I actually don't like feminism, but any group of men who doesn't want to take care of its women when they're being walked all over (like is happening in the case of Caster & other testosterone-producing intersex athletes trying to compete against women) is a group that is doomed to fail.

Separate Category Required wrote:

Caster through no fault of her own needs a separate competitive category.

It's called the "men's" category.

get used to it.. wrote:

Caster has ovaries like you.

He's a guy, not a woman, and shouldn't be in the women's events.