How many actual W's did Hall get... not many
Bill Rodgers used to win 2 races a week
How many actual W's did Hall get... not many
Bill Rodgers used to win 2 races a week
karpopper wrote:
How many actual W's did Hall get... not many
Bill Rodgers used to win 2 races a week
Rodgers' PR is four and a half minutes slower than Ryan Hall's. Enough said.
uused wrote:
Dingler wrote:What major race did Hall or Webb win? Ritz made 3 Olympic teams with a legitimate shot for a 4th. He has a bronze from world junior XC and bronze from world half. Plus he probably made Bekele shit his pants when he saw a white boy catching him at the end of that 5k in Zurich.
1. I said "win" not making an Olympic team and aiming for 4th or bronze medals.
2. Berkeley did not probably do that because he probably didn't even notice him. Ritz in no way was catching Bekele. He was caught and died by the other runners who were themselves far behind Bekele.
3. Webb won at least 1 diamond league level meet where he ran 3:30. I may be wrong about Hall, has he not won anything?
All these things happened in an environment where doping was rampant and the IAAF was using endemic positive doping tests to bribe the athletes.
There were no rules before and after the event. "Winning" doesn't mean anything in that kind of environment.
Sorry to hear. I was hoping he'd find the cause of his low-T and fix it WITHOUT supplementation, which he was against.
What's his next plans?
my theory... wrote:
Not sure if this has been mentioned but I seem to recall that Hall was a patient of Dr. Brown in Houston and presumably on thyroid medication. It seems entirely plausible that you would mess up your body chemistry doing this, making it impossible to train/recover properly. I would not be surprised to see more of this from athletes who have been treated with thyroid medication. It makes sense that over-training leads to low thyroid, thyroid medication allows you to train at that elite level, but at what cost to your long term health? And what happens to your body chemistry when you stop taking the thyroid medication?
Uh if you really have a Thyroid issue you take is for the rest of your life...would love to hear Ryan talk about his thyroid issue's. I was d1 runner and sub elite and my hypothroid issue's really screwed up my running.
Ryan Hall single handedly put the DNF in pro-marathoning. He will be missed. Godspeed.
if these guys were not anorexic they wouldn't have an epidemic of thyroid problems. Anorexics can not do the things these people do. Adding hormones to fight the symptoms of what is classified as an illness to compete is as bad as straight up doping of any other kind. Worse because it is played off as innocent stuff.Cheat nature at your own risk. If running were as big as football you could make a blockbuster movie but instead Concussion it would be called Anorexia.
dfsgfadsfdsf wrote:
karpopper wrote:How many actual W's did Hall get... not many
Bill Rodgers used to win 2 races a week
Rodgers' PR is four and a half minutes slower than Ryan Hall's. Enough said.
The WR was five and a half minutes slower in Bill Rogers' day. Now enough said.
horse manure. you are making a huge logic leap.
there are plenty of runners that are not anorexic. they may be labelled anorexic by the overweight general population, but they aren't.
You are spreading B.S. and making false arguments.
There are people 200 lbs that have genuine thyroid problems too.
I would wager you aren't a runner and just trolling here.
Again, there are runners that have genuine thyroid problems. It was not caused by running. They may have become runners after being hypothyroid too.
No, It's just an unwelcome argument. Lots of people see it but won't go on about it. Huh ? Just like concussions. Even with fat people thyroid has been the most over played excuse ever. It's been that way for decades. Ask your mom and dad unless they are the ones who taught you to be in denial.
Will throw in my two cents on Hall, not having ready every post yet:
-He'll go down as one of the greats. I don't see his American time ever being broken
-It sounds like he has some SERIOUS health issues, but I don't know if they're necessarily due to his running. Our world is so polluted and messed up that Hall could be suffering from one or several of a number of issues. I hope he gets healthy.
-People tend to forget that Hall ran a 1:09:xx at the Great North Run in the fall. As usual, he was up with the lead pack early, then dropped off. I think that was the biggest indicator that his body had had enough at the elite level
former anorexic wrote:
if these guys were not anorexic they wouldn't have an epidemic of thyroid problems. Anorexics can not do the things these people do. Adding hormones to fight the symptoms of what is classified as an illness to compete is as bad as straight up doping of any other kind. Worse because it is played off as innocent stuff.Cheat nature at your own risk. If running were as big as football you could make a blockbuster movie but instead Concussion it would be called Anorexia.
Ryan isn't anorexic.
Stop projecting.
uused wrote:
2. Berkeley did not probably do that because he probably didn't even notice him.
I didn´t know there were world class runners from California.
How clever. Depression is always good for a cheap laugh.
Not anorexic in the involuntary childhood acquired clinical form, and I won't swear this applies to Ryan, but there are people at high talent levels doing corporate sponsored anorexia and this same Dr. apparently gets around to tinker with a lot of them to make the anorexia sustainable and compatible with intense training and incredible times….for a while.
Calling it grey area or tue doesn't change the fact that it is doping. It obviously has serious consequences.
2:04:58 a Ryan Hall (USA) 14 Oct 1982 18 Apr 2011 2:05:37.8 1 Khalid
2:06:17 5 Ryan Hall - 2 (USA) 14 Oct 1982 13 Apr 2008 L
2:07:47 9 Dathan Ritzenhein (USA) 30 Dec 1982 07 Oct 2012
2:08:04 5 Ryan Hall - 3 (USA) 14 Oct 1982 09 Oct 2011
2:08:24 7 Ryan Hall - 4 (USA) 14 Oct 1982 22 Apr 2007
2:08:41 a 4 Ryan Hall - 5 (USA) 14 Oct 1982 19 Apr 2010
2:08:47 a 7 Robert Kempainen (USA) 18 Jun 1966 18 Apr
2:08:54 a 2 Dick Beardsley (USA) 21 Mar 1956 19 Apr 1982
2:09:01 a 1 Greg Meyer (USA) 18 Sep 1955 18 Apr 1983
2:09:01.9 1 Ryan Hall - 6 (USA) 14 Oct 1982 03 Nov 2007
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You neglected to put in Al Sal's and Meb's times, as a well as Kanoooch's
Oh that's right, your doing a 'nationalistic racial comparison' of good old boy 'Amerika' marathon times - ok got it!
Great career, but poor choice of cliche lines to sum up his career with in his interview: "Mission accomplished". When ever I hear these words spoken, all I can think of is W (believing what he wanted to believe) and his epic fail.
Faithful wrote:
my theory... wrote:Not sure if this has been mentioned but I seem to recall that Hall was a patient of Dr. Brown in Houston and presumably on thyroid medication. It seems entirely plausible that you would mess up your body chemistry doing this, making it impossible to train/recover properly. I would not be surprised to see more of this from athletes who have been treated with thyroid medication. It makes sense that over-training leads to low thyroid, thyroid medication allows you to train at that elite level, but at what cost to your long term health? And what happens to your body chemistry when you stop taking the thyroid medication?
Uh if you really have a Thyroid issue you take is for the rest of your life...would love to hear Ryan talk about his thyroid issue's. I was d1 runner and sub elite and my hypothroid issue's really screwed up my running.
You should have taken an English class while you were D1. There is no need for an apostrophe in "issue's". Just because a word ends is an s doesn't mean it needs an apostrophe.
This is my biggest pet peeve.
She looks great, but also keep in mind she hasn't had any kids yet.
SteveinBerks wrote:
She looks great, but also keep in mind she hasn't had any kids yet.
She has had four kids and identifies as a mother. Take your sexist, woman-hating drivel elsewhere.