Explosive allegation: Peyton Manning linked to doping ring by undercover tv investigative unit

Charles Sly is probably S-iting his pants and going into hiding or running for his life

Watch and listen to charles sly in this video

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sf2-8V0K3oM

Truth in the middle? wrote:

I read an ESPN article that made it sound like Sly was completely full of it, so I doubted the entire story. Just like I doubted the NOP allegations. Then I watched the documentary. I don't believe ESPN any more. There absolutely has to be some level of truth to the documentary...

Is ESPN now the FOX News of sports oriented television? What's in it for ESPN to try to discredit this report?

Oh well... So much for unbiased reporting. I guess that's just journalism school idealism...

That is one view but, if it were true, the leagues and players associations would not bother with testing at all. Instead, they have gradually come up with a system of self regulation so that they can create deniability while maximizing their product. I agree that the public does not care ENOUGH to change things but I think many people don't like to here the truth about these performances. There have been NFL steroid stories since the Raiders in the 70s. People don't like hearing what steroid abuse did to Lyle Alzado just like they don't like seeing Jim McMahon now or what happened to Junior Seau with concussions.I am saying nothing will happen to the current testing arrangements unless doping is criminalized as a type of fraud. For that to happen, the public would need to care. That happens is if people either:1. care that athletes performances are the product of drugs and they the athletes are hurting themselves (it's possible the public might care but, after baseball in the early aughts, I doubt it) or 2. Care that kids will be encouraged to do drugs (very likely to care). I don't see the players rallying to get this changed. The cyclists did not. ESPN will never blow the whistle on the NFL or other leagues. Maybe HBO will do something but they like their access too.Track tries more than other sports but is badly flawed too. When I watch the other sports, I just assume most people are using PEDs.

Critic of note wrote:

Or we could be adults and legalize the use of PEDs. Quit the big government, let me regulate your life nonsense and accept the realities of a free market.

No one cares if an athlete is using or not, it's only when a few nannies get their panties in a twist when the media goes into hyperventilation mode.

Gffgvcggg wrote:

Watch and listen to charles sly in this video

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sf2-8V0K3oM

That was funny. Dude is backpedaling big time cuz he knows he's in deep doo-doo.

Wowww1 wrote:

Gffgvcggg wrote:

Watch and listen to charles sly in this video

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sf2-8V0K3oM

That was funny. Dude is backpedaling big time cuz he knows he's in deep doo-doo.

That script was most likely written by a lawyer - probably Peyton's.

Link wrote:

Wowww1 wrote:

That was funny. Dude is backpedaling big time cuz he knows he's in deep doo-doo.

That script was most likely written by a lawyer - probably Peyton's.

Charles Sly's youtube video shown in the link above was uploaded to someone elses youtube account... a guy by the name of ryan grim who is the huffington post dc bureau chief. If that means anything.

Check out this video which shows what that person looks like

So i'm thinking this guy Ryan Grim helped charles sly make that video

why is this news? ever been round college ball or have a pro friend?

your heros cheat or do anything to win, generally speaking. get it?

duh.

Say Money wrote:

BTW ,when does anybody that views this website look at Al Jazeera? Probably zero. Now they have more eyes.

This guy has it all figured out. One of the largest news orgs in the world manufactured the story to get more readers from lrc.

longjack wrote:

why is this news? ever been round college ball or have a pro friend?

your heros cheat or do anything to win, generally speaking. get it?

duh.

It's not news that he did it. It's news that he got caught.

longjack wrote:

why is this news? ever been round college ball or have a pro friend?

your heros cheat or do anything to win, generally speaking. get it?

duh.

But ESPN (and Nike) are not aware of it. They have no clue. They never heard that rumour.

If Coe was in charge of the NFL, it would be a shock to him too...

rojo wrote:

It's been pointed out to me that the Manning's have never denied Ashley got HGH. It's quite possible she could have been taking it to look younger (which would be illegal but pretty common at anti-aging clinics). Manning is a patient there getting treatment and the doc says, "Hey, honey, you want to look better. I can get you some HGH."

I think this claim (that HGH presciption or use off-label is illegal) has been repeated several times in this thread. I do not believe this is correct, but I am asking those who have posted it (rojo or others) to post a link or information supporting their position.

In my experience working with physicians and in a very preliminary google search I do not see any sort of support that certain drugs cannot be prescribed for off-label uses.

Vhjbhjbhbhjhbj wrote:

Truth in the middle? wrote:

I read an ESPN article that made it sound like Sly was completely full of it, so I doubted the entire story. Just like I doubted the NOP allegations. Then I watched the documentary. I don't believe ESPN any more. There absolutely has to be some level of truth to the documentary...

Is ESPN now the FOX News of sports oriented television? What's in it for ESPN to try to discredit this report?

Oh well... So much for unbiased reporting. I guess that's just journalism school idealism...

What's in it for esPn to try to discredit the report? They are business partners with the NFL. They are protecting their partner's interests. It is a pattern.

Chris Mortenson reporting wrong information which was fed him by NFL league sources

Pulling out of a documentary on head trauma

etc., etc.

I wish they had included more of the behind the scenes stuff like the phone verification in the original story.

The story I want to read is the one where the ESPN people sit down and decide how to defend their cash cow. Did the NFL office contact them first or are they just proactively defending the shield?

Mr. Obvious wrote:

rojo wrote:

It's been pointed out to me that the Manning's have never denied Ashley got HGH. It's quite possible she could have been taking it to look younger (which would be illegal but pretty common at anti-aging clinics). Manning is a patient there getting treatment and the doc says, "Hey, honey, you want to look better. I can get you some HGH."

I think this claim (that HGH presciption or use off-label is illegal) has been repeated several times in this thread. I do not believe this is correct, but I am asking those who have posted it (rojo or others) to post a link or information supporting their position.

In my experience working with physicians and in a very preliminary google search I do not see any sort of support that certain drugs cannot be prescribed for off-label uses.

Here is link with explanation from FDA.

It is illegal to prescribe HGH for anti-aging purposes. The FDA has also specifically said that HGH may not be prescribed for a 60 year old man whose HGH levels are normal for a 60 year old but less than an average 30 year old.

Since the FDA allows doctors to prescribe HGH for the "treatment of a disease or other recognized medical condition" you are probably correct that HGH can be prescribed for off-label purposes for specific diseases or conditions other than what is recommended by the medical community at large. However, it is also likely that doctors who chose to prescribe HGH to recover from knee sprains or fight skin wrinkles would run afoul of a medical ethics board.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Vhjbhjbhbhjhbj wrote:

Is ESPN now the FOX News of sports oriented television? What's in it for ESPN to try to discredit this report?

Oh well... So much for unbiased reporting. I guess that's just journalism school idealism...

What's in it for esPn to try to discredit the report? They are business partners with the NFL. They are protecting their partner's interests. It is a pattern.

Chris Mortenson reporting wrong information which was fed him by NFL league sources

Pulling out of a documentary on head trauma

etc., etc.

I'm so happy that the internet exists. Television does not give unbiased information and entry fee is very expensive, so the number of channels is limited. By definition, the internet provides all views. Each of them is biased, but the sum of the opinions is not.

Do I have to boycott ESPN now? I'm boycotting Nike already (since, in my mind, they should have cut ties with Lance when he started suing people that we're saying the truth). Now ESPN?

FDA Statement wrote:

Here is link with explanation from FDA.

http://blog.medicaljustice.com/can-anti-aging-doctors-prescribe-human-growth-hormone-as-elixir-of-youth/

It is illegal to prescribe HGH for anti-aging purposes. The FDA has also specifically said that HGH may not be prescribed for a 60 year old man whose HGH levels are normal for a 60 year old but less than an average 30 year old.

Since the FDA allows doctors to prescribe HGH for the "treatment of a disease or other recognized medical condition" you are probably correct that HGH can be prescribed for off-label purposes for specific diseases or conditions other than what is recommended by the medical community at large. However, it is also likely that doctors who chose to prescribe HGH to recover from knee sprains or fight skin wrinkles would run afoul of a medical ethics board.

Thanks, that is a helpful clarification. HGH does seem to have some special rules that I was not aware of.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

#1 has not been confirmed. They confirmed that she was a patient and was being sent something but have not confirmed what. The fact that they did not come right out and say it was HGH makes it seem likely that was what she received.

It would be mind blowingly stupid for the spouse of a professional athlete to take an illegal substance that is considered a performance enhancer just because it could be linked back to their spouse right or wrong. I feel like HGH is fairly well known to be considered a banned PED.

I just realized this case reminds me of the Salazar case in some ways. Alberto had a banned drug. Of course, he says it was only for himself and occasionally his son. The use by his son would be illegal. No way it went to Rupp of course.

Manning may have a banned drug. With Salazar we know he had it. n the Manning's case, it hasn't been denied that they got for HGH. It's just implied that it was for his wife which would likely be illegal.

Do we know for sure that Rupp or Payton used it? No we don't .

I want to go back and watch the al jazeera report. I want to see what exactly they said. Did they ever say Payton used it? I don't believe so. Manning has said the report is "absolute garbage", but what about it is false? We know - despite the clinic's initial denial - that SLy did indeed work there in 2011 and it seems also that shipments were done to the Mannings. So it sounds like everything that was actually reported is fact.

DOes anyone know if a text recap of the entire show exists. I want to see if they ever said Payton used it. I don't think they did.