"Give 'em an inch they'll take a mile". Now we sell out a lot slower, sometimes not at all. Because of that, financially it doesn't make any sense for us to offer transfers if we still have bibs available for anyone to purchase.
So the bottom line is that you are out there to make a buck, not to promote fitness...
Just curious- how were participants taking a mile? How were they taking advantage of your willingness to transfer bibs?
Miguel Perdente wrote:
"Give 'em an inch they'll take a mile". Now we sell out a lot slower, sometimes not at all. Because of that, financially it doesn't make any sense for us to offer transfers if we still have bibs available for anyone to purchase.So the bottom line is that you are out there to make a buck, not to promote fitness...
Just curious- how were participants taking a mile? How were they taking advantage of your willingness to transfer bibs?
Yeah, I didn't catch that either.
If you cap your field at X and it sells out, why not allow people to transfer their bib? You have their money, heck you could even double dip by charging a small transfer fee.
You could have saved a lot of time by just typing "we really don't care about the runners."
d2xccoach wrote:
BigDuh wrote:More races should allow transfers. That would cut out any confusion. I'm sure the change can be made with about 10 key strokes.
With the way races are now, you have to register many months in advance. Allowing people to sell their bib or give it to a friend would eliminate any fraud. I know I hate to register 6 mo out then have to watch that spot go unused if I'm injured or "life happens".
I both agree with you and don't.
On the "don't agree" side... The main race I work for used to sell out fast and for a few years we allowed transfers. It bit us in the butt and did very little to stop people from just giving their bib to other runners. "Give 'em an inch they'll take a mile". Now we sell out a lot slower, sometimes not at all. Because of that, financially it doesn't make any sense for us to offer transfers if we still have bibs available for anyone to purchase. (We're a not-for-profit, race "profits" are usually not high if at all.) We do offer deferrals, so if you enter and can't run for whatever reason you can get a reserved spot for next year at a reduced rate.
On the "agree" side... Yup, it's super easy to set up a transfer system. We did it ~10 years ago with less experience from other races to draw on. today it's a lot easier than back then.
My opinion...If you don't want to sign up for races months in advance then don't patronize races that require that to happen. There are plenty of races out there it's easy to avoid those races if you choose to. If you sign up for a race months in advance then out of respect for the effort the RDs are putting in, accept the terms the race requires.
Have you ever been a race director? Had to make all the decisions involved? Making enough money to be able to hold the race again seems like a good idea. Otherwise there would be nothing available for runners.
d2xccoach wrote:
My opinion...If you don't want to sign up for races months in advance then don't patronize races that require that to happen. There are plenty of races out there it's easy to avoid those races if you choose to. If you sign up for a race months in advance then out of respect for the effort the RDs are putting in, accept the terms the race requires.
Hi Barb
So it sounds like it was all an innocent mistake then.
My guess is she is probably more organized than her husband and he really wanted to run the race, so he just used her bib since he was lazy and didn't register in time.
Typical runner or sockpuppet wrote:
So it sounds like it was all an innocent mistake then.
My guess is she is probably more organized than her husband and he really wanted to run the race, so he just used her bib since he was lazy and didn't register in time.
As usual, a segment of LRC gets all worked up about nothing.
Typical runner or sockpuppet wrote:
So it sounds like it was all an innocent mistake then.
My guess is she is probably more organized than her husband and he really wanted to run the race, so he just used her bib since he was lazy and didn't register in time.
Why do people feel the need to chime in, but can't be bothered to read the thread before they do?
- It wasn't her husband who used her bib, it was a friend who ran with her husband
- Her husband was thus obviously organized enough to register in time
- This happened not just once, but multiple times
So no, it does not sound like it was an innocent mistake.
Typical runner or sockpuppet wrote:
So it sounds like it was all an innocent mistake then.
My guess is she is probably more organized than her husband and he really wanted to run the race, so he just used her bib since he was lazy and didn't register in time.
You're probably right. I make innocent mistakes... four times in a row.
It had to be said wrote:
Typical runner or sockpuppet wrote:So it sounds like it was all an innocent mistake then.
My guess is she is probably more organized than her husband and he really wanted to run the race, so he just used her bib since he was lazy and didn't register in time.
You're probably right. I make innocent mistakes... four times in a row.
She's married to two guys? According to Samantha. she gave the bibs to Elvis and he ran with her husband Jared who had his own bib. She's also married to Elvis?
So she had four dads who died and two husbands?
Having read all the posts on Letsrun.com and slowtwitch.com, it appears there are two different scenarios regarding Samantha Sweet's race results. First, someone named Elvis ran with her bib in multiple Rock 'n' Roll events along side her husband, Jared - as can be seen in the race pictures. Next, as Brent Bowers pointed out, there are race results where it "appears" that her husband ran with both chips, as the times are identical. An example can be seen here in the 2013 Saints and Sinners Half Marathon held in Boulder City, Nevada (16th & 17th place):
http://www.albanyrunningexchange.org/results/search.php?ID=3815
Also, Samantha Sweet use to be associated with Newton, but has spent the last few years traveling the Rock 'n' Roll Marthon circuit, managing the Altra booth at the expos.
You guys are making a big deal about nothing. It's like lending your friend your gym card or parking pass. Already been paid for, so someone might as well use it.
Not a Big Deal wrote:
You guys are making a big deal about nothing. It's like lending your friend your gym card or parking pass. Already been paid for, so someone might as well use it.
Agreed. I just lent a friend my liver. So it's no big deal.
Not a Big Deal wrote:
You guys are making a big deal about nothing. It's like lending your friend your gym card or parking pass. Already been paid for, so someone might as well use it.
Once again - you are reading the thread title but not getting the full story. They accepted prizes and denied those prizes to others by not running the race. Also, they run a coaching business which is benefited by the belief that the people operating it are: 1. Fast runners, 2. Honest.
Because of this and the ST thread, RnR has banned them and hard-working runners will get a fair shot at placing in their age groups.
Also, hopefully many people in Las Vegas will see the light and expose them as dishonest and they shut down their fraud of a coaching scheme.
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Not a Big Deal wrote:You guys are making a big deal about nothing. It's like lending your friend your gym card or parking pass. Already been paid for, so someone might as well use it.
Once again - you are reading the thread title but not getting the full story. They accepted prizes and denied those prizes to others by not running the race. Also, they run a coaching business which is benefited by the belief that the people operating it are: 1. Fast runners, 2. Honest.
Because of this and the ST thread, RnR has banned them and hard-working runners will get a fair shot at placing in their age groups.
Also, hopefully many people in Las Vegas will see the light and expose them as dishonest and they shut down their fraud of a coaching scheme.
Do you have any evidence of the bolded parts?
She was the registered runner. She has or "Elvis" has "won" her age group in several races thus cheating out a the real winner.
Plus there is the liability issue such has runner 101 who is Samantha or really Elvis has medical issues. Who are the emergency contacts for Samantha or really Elvis. What about drug allergies?
What she did was wrong in so many ways. As a coach she should know how important it is for some athletes to place in their age groups. She should be familiar with the transfer rule. Again she wrong and she got caught.
The amazing similarities in writing style, tone, logic, and seemingly total obliviousness of the defenders of Kip/Mike/Sweet makes me think either
1. It's all the same stupid troll.
2. Many different trolls are equally stupid in exactly the same way.
3. A small number of real LRC posters are equally stupid in the same way.
4. It's all coming from the same place - reputation.com
5. It's the actual guilty parties using multiple IDs and they can't think of anything better to say to get themselves off the hook.
fascinating. I guess thats possible. It's kind of weird how people aren't able to follow a straight story and basically read the title and make up an opinion. But even the title says "won her AG buy using a man" I don't get it. How can that not be a big deal. Well big deal to those that think honesty is important.
I'm rereading a few of the above posts. Dammit your right. These people must be associated with the accused. Forgive me I'm a bit slow on the uptake and new to forum posting.