Official 2015 Heps XC thread

Columbia looking good, Cornell falling off, Yale moving up.

MEN'S TEAM SCORES AT 5K

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1. Columbia

5 6 7 10 17 (31) (35) = 45

2. Penn

3 13 14 22 25 (30) (33) = 77

3. Cornell

1 15 16 20 32 (37) (43) = 84

4. Yale

4 8 23 24 26 (45) (48) = 85

5. Princeton

9 11 12 27 29 (38) (39) = 88

6. Dartmouth

2 18 21 28 34 (40) (47) = 103

7. Harvard

19 36 41 49 50 (52) (53) = 195

8. Brown

42 44 46 51 54 (55) (56) = 237

Penn w 5 in top 25 at ~7 km.

Awad wins, Cornell kid 4th. Columbia puts 3 in the top 10. Looks like 1) Columbia, 2) Penn. Still waiting for official.

Place Team Points

1

Columbia

65

2

Penn

69

3

Yale

75

4

Cornell

75

5

Princeton

95

6

Dartmouth

103

7

Harvard

191

8

Brown

230

Wow, only 10 points separating 4th and 1st place. Awesome race.

1) Columbia 65

2) Penn 69

3) Yale 75

4) Cornell 75

They got live results here

www.leonetiming.com/2015/XC/IvyLeague/

They have a mid race split. For full result follow the links to Flotrack

Bravo to the teams, this was an awesome race. As a Cornell fan, obviously it is disappointing, especially since we apparently had the lead at 7.1K and yet ended up 4th by narrowest of margins.

For Cornell it looks like Herr had an off day after being a top 5 guy all year, but that was countered by Israel finishing 23rd (!) after being on Cornell's JV team for most of the season. Impressive.

As discussed in the letsrun preview, the race always come down to 15th-40th where you have essentially have very similar talent all finishing in a 20-30 second window. Always exciting! Lets Go Red!

Marks 10 years since the last Dartmouth men's championship. From '84 to '05 we won 14 of 22. Sad stuff.

Does the Heps have a published tie breaking procedure? What is it?

wineturtle wrote:

Does the Heps have a published tie breaking procedure? What is it?

Why?

This stings a little bit for Penn fans. It was the highest placing for the Quakers since 1974 and the lowest score since 1973 (the last time Penn won) but at the same time the win was right there.

title 9 is such a perverse rule - to make the Dartmouth women's varsity 7 you have to run around 78% age graded. To make the Dartmouth men's varsity 7 you have to run around 83% age graded.

So I'd guess that Dartmouth is cutting from the xc team men at the same quality they put women on the varsity.

I'd hate to see the #12 or #13 woman on the team -- she probably races at 7 minute pace. But they probably need her for title flippin 9.

(I'm assuming Dartmouth would cut a 27:30 5m mile guy - I don't actually know that that is true. that's about the equivalent of a girl who makes the heps team.)

Wow - it's a bit sad how Dartmouth went from 1st to 8th over the span of one year, even with Giordano getting 2nd overall. I guess they lost a bit to graduation and had an off day

BillCarr wrote:

This stings a little bit for Penn fans. It was the highest placing for the Quakers since 1974 and the lowest score since 1973 (the last time Penn won) but at the same time the win was right there.

I think you need to give some credit to Columbia frosh Sam Ritz - I'm sure he knew going into this race that he would need to stick to Penn as close as they could in order to help the team in the title race. Had he finished 3 seconds slower, Penn would have won the title. Columbia and Penn both had similar spreads - 55.8 for Penn to 57.4 for Columbia.

But boy, what an exciting race to watch, even if it was through Periscope.

C/M Runner wrote:

BillCarr wrote:

This stings a little bit for Penn fans. It was the highest placing for the Quakers since 1974 and the lowest score since 1973 (the last time Penn won) but at the same time the win was right there.

I think you need to give some credit to Columbia frosh Sam Ritz - I'm sure he knew going into this race that he would need to stick to Penn as close as they could in order to help the team in the title race. Had he finished 3 seconds slower, Penn would have won the title. Columbia and Penn both had similar spreads - 55.8 for Penn to 57.4 for Columbia.

But boy, what an exciting race to watch, even if it was through Periscope.

For a frosh to be top 30 is good but several people told me it looked like Ritz was almost jogging it in during the last 30 meters. It didn't appear that he was clawing and fighting for every place. Yes he closed the door on the win but he also nearly cost them. I imagine a stud like that was hoping to be top frosh and top 15. But you don't pack it in. You dig deep.

Now maybe he was totally shot and just totally cratering. I always thought it was bad to make value judgements based on how runners look in a race. Some look beatufiul when tired, others not so much. It's could be that he's a miler who maybe went out hard and was dead at cemetary but at 9.1 k he was in 17th place. At the finish he was 28th.

At the top of cemetery, I congratulated Dan Ireland on the win. I got to the finish and thought, "Oh my god what happened."

Columbia was basically in total control the entire race. From the time they came back over the bridge (halfway) to the 7500, it was over. Suddenly, it was almost an epic collapse. But in the end, what matters it he Lions and Ritz got the job done.

Congrats Columbia.

Here are the team scores at 7.1k.

1. Columbia

4 6 8 16 17 (31) (33) = 51

2. Cornell

2 9 11 22 30 (42) (47) = 74

3. Penn

1 13 15 23 24 (28) (35) = 76

4. Yale

3 7 18 26 27 (45) (48) = 81

5. Princeton

10 12 14 21 37 (38) (40) = 94

6. Dartmouth

5 19 25 29 34 (39) (46) = 112

7. Harvard

20 32 36 49 50 (51) (53) = 187

8. Brown

41 43 44 52 54 (55) (56) = 234

Look how much it changed at the end.

1. 65 Columbia (24:59.6 124:57.8 0:57.4)

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1 3 Aubrey Myjer SR 24:30.3

2 7 Jack Boyle JR 24:46.6

3 9 Tait Rutherford SR 24:54.9

4 18 Marc Violone SR 25:18.3

5 28 Sam Ritz FR 25:27.7

6 ( 34) Rob Napolitano JR 25:33.1

7 ( 36) Max Norris JR 25:36.0

2. 69 Penn (25:04.5 125:22.1 0:55.8)

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1 1 Thomas Awad SR 24:26.4

2 12 Brendan Shearn JR 25:04.1

3 13 Nicholas Tuck JR 25:07.9

4 21 Ross Wilson SO 25:21.5

5 22 Brendan Smith SR 25:22.2

6 ( 27) Clark Shurtleff SR 25:27.3

7 ( 30) Patrick Hally SO 25:29.0

3. 75 Yale (25:03.1 125:15.5 0:56.9)

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1 2 Kevin Dooney SR 24:29.5

2 5 James Randon JR 24:36.7

3 17 Adam Houston SO 25:17.7

4 25 Duncan Tomlin JR 25:25.2

5 26 Cameron Stanish SO 25:26.4

6 ( 46) Alexander Conner SR 26:06.1

7 ( 49) Pascal Ungersboeck FR 26:15.7

4. 75 Cornell (25:03.4 125:16.8 0:57.9)

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1 4 Ben Rainero SR 24:30.7

2 8 Brian Eimstad SR 24:52.5

3 11 Dominic Deluca SO 25:02.2

4 23 Zack Israel JR 25:22.8

5 29 James Gowans JR 25:28.6

6 ( 40) Tyler Kawalec SR 25:43.3

7 ( 48) Mark Tedder JR 26:14.5

5. 95 Princeton (25:16.4 126:21.7 0:35.9)

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1 10 Michael Sublette SR 24:59.8

2 14 Sam Berger SR 25:10.5

3 16 Jeremy Spiezio FR 25:14.4

4 20 Brett Kelly SR 25:21.3

5 35 Steven Sum FR 25:35.7

6 ( 38) Noah Kauppila SO 25:41.4

7 ( 41) Charles Stahl SO 25:43.3

6. 103 Dartmouth (25:14.1 126:10.2 0:53.0)

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1 6 Brian Masterson SR 24:36.8

2 15 Joey Chapin JR 25:13.6

3 19 Julian Heninger JR 25:20.3

4 31 Nathaniel Adams JR 25:29.7

5 32 Daniel Salas JR 25:29.8

6 ( 42) Peter Geithner SR 25:45.2

7 ( 45) Marco Pompilj FR 26:04.3

7. 191 Harvard (25:49.1 129:05.3 0:58.9)

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1 24 Tom Purnell SR 25:23.6

2 33 Chris Allen SR 25:31.2

3 37 Austin Gilbert FR 25:39.0

4 47 Louis Colson SO 26:09.0

5 50 Gabe Montague SO 26:22.5

6 ( 52) Ben Huffman SO 26:23.7

7 ( 54) Kieran Tuntivate FR 27:10.4

8. 230 Brown (26:09.5 130:47.4 1:19.2)

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1 39 Eli Moskowitz FR 25:42.3

2 43 Stephen Bourguet JR 25:48.9

3 44 Will Sheeran SR 25:51.5

4 51 Ryan Anderson SO 26:23.2

5 53 Tucker Hamilton JR 27:01.5

6 ( 55) Luke Muzikowski JR 27:22.2

7 ( 56) Andrew Coggins SO 28:02.1

here are the times of the 5th man, in order of team finish:

25:27

25:22

25:26

25:28

25:35

25:29

26:22

27:01

amazingly tight among the top 6 teams - the fun of heps is that if a team really really wants it they can upset the favorite.

wineturtle wrote:

Does the Heps have a published tie breaking procedure? What is it?

They compare the head-to-head finishes of your top five. #1 vs. #1, #2 vs. #2, etc. Whoever has more head-to-head wins wins the tiebreaker. Yale and Cornell both finished with 75 points, but Yale took the tiebreaker with three wins (#1, #2, and #5).

what happened to Curtis King (Dartmouth)?

The women's race was okay--can't say it was one of the classics.

But the men's was *outstanding*. Just a great race with phenomenal individual and team efforts.

Anyway, I'm glad to have been right about Awad, at least. Props to Penn and Yale, and Cornell for that matter--ten points from first to fourth, WOW.

Congrats to the Princeton women, the "other" home team at VCP. (Their coach said that they'd run multiple workouts on the course.) Not bad for losing your projected #1 runner!