By the end(at Duke), if I saw one more poster for an on-campus frat party with a “pimps and hoes”, I would lose my mind.

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

.61% is .61/100 or 611/100,000 or about twice the Raleigh rate of 311.3/100,000.

So, if your first # was right, then you are way off base.

It's actually only 610/1000, but nice try. You get 1/2 star for effort.

math major wrote:

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

.61% is .61/100 or 611/100,000 or about twice the Raleigh rate of 311.3/100,000.

So, if your first # was right, then you are way off base.

It's actually only 610/1000, but nice try. You get 1/2 star for effort.

Both of you clearly didn't go to Duke. It's 610/100,000.

jeffrey d. boomhauer wrote:

Ironic that Duke is picked on - the site of the embarrassingly botched Duke Lacrosse team fiasco a few years back

Botched? As opposed to all of those fiascoes that go off without a hitch, you mean?

And do you know what "ironic" means? How is it "ironic" that a woman student is calling attention to frat-boy behavior at a school where that exact sort of behavior taken to extreme recently got people into trouble, even if the rape allegations proved false? Isn't that sort of the opposite of "ironic"? Now, it might be "ironic" if a bunch of women students sodomized a frat boy/lax player with his own stick after leaving a strip club, but that's a "yet" for Duke University -- a school I respect, by the way, on the basis of the numerous graduates of its programs with whom I regularly interact violently, sexually and combatively, often in concert.

The Jeffrey Boomhauer on King of the Hill is great for comic relief on an already comical show. You are good for some laughs in an already ludicrous environment as well, but in a vastly different sense from your cartoon namesake.

Please be assured your commentary on the issue is and was mature, intelligent, classy and kind.

There are some wing nuts on this forum.

I respect you for speaking up, and speaking freely and without intimidation about what you encountered.

Some men, evidently, forget that they have mothers, sisters, cousins etc.

Good luck with your running career!

Lol talk about irony

Are you certain of their "own tenacity"?

Was this sexism prevalent in the track/xc teams? If yes, give some examples. Call them out. I think kvb needs to start getting specific.

does this have anything to do with how bad Duke su^ks at womens cross country?

anapaix wrote:

Then your different from most liberals in this regard. Most want things they do not agree with to be censored.

I haven't read this thread, but I wanted to point out the above- "censorship" is NOT specific to any political party. I heard a healthcare lobbyist speak back when Bush was in office. She talked about how the government was censoring the NIH website on anything they didn't agree with. This is about as bad as Texas lawmakers wanting science textbooks to teach about intelligent design or change/censor climate and environmental science textbooks to support conservative views.

Carry on.

I just want to thank Kate for her honesty, forthrightness and courage in this. Well done!!

I find it amusing that KVB complaining about this stuff is a "typical liberal", yet (social) conservatives make the exact same criticisms about colleges all the time. My school got posted on the Daily Caller, a site full of conservatives, for hosting a discussion involving porn stars, and the comments went nuts. As someone else mentioned, Tom Wolfe -- again not a liberal -- raised the same issues about the same school in I am Charlotte Simmons. So why are the same arguments presented as "liberal" and "conservative"? Is it just because you don't like a young woman speaking her mind?

Ho Hum wrote:

So why are the same arguments presented as "liberal" and "conservative"?

Wow, it's almost as if liberals and conservatives agree on some things.

mplatt wrote:

Are you certain of their "own tenacity"?

Well, if incessant posting about "drug news" counts, sure, the dudes who run this place are tenacious. At one time such a vocal stance might have qualified as admirable, even gutsy, but now? Even before the Armstrong shit hit the whirling spokes and splattered the public consciousness, most of the people who were for whatever reason(s) resistant to the idea that PEDs are pervasive in cycling, running and most every sport had come around, and it's usually no longer big news when some pro but non-household-name athlete somewhere is caught cheating. I do like learning about new tests and testing protocols, but I can name a host of other sites I'd sooner visit to learn the nitty-gritty about the latest about the sports-doping arms races.

I'd like to make it clear that all previous comments I've made have not been directed towards KVB as a person. I appreciate her comments.

As quickly as possible I tried to extrapolate the discussion to issues beyond KVB/Duke and talk about these behaviours on all other campuses.

With that said, Duke does appear to be the graveyard of top-end female high school athletes.

SMJO wrote:

I would be curious to know why Kate does have that "wanting to be noticed" vibe.

Is that a response to the way society expects women to act taken to an extreme or is that just how she is?

It doesn't really seem much different from what she is complaining about.

She doesn't have any "wanting to be noticed" vibe. She's stating her opinion in the most normal interview fashion imaginable. I know you don't like reading opinions written by women, but it's 2013, you're just going to have to live with it.

Critical Thinking wrote:

Ho Hum wrote:

So why are the same arguments presented as "liberal" and "conservative"?

Wow, it's almost as if liberals and conservatives agree on some things.

Thanks for re-stating my post, but yes, that is what I said. The question is why do conservatives sneer at this as "liberal" when it's something that many of them believe (thus not liberal).

bnzw wrote:

Please Webfoot, if you find it so abhorrent here, why don't you lead the way out?

Are you performing some kind of public service by enduring the culture here to warn others?

If you hang out here fine, but don't be a sanctimonious tool when you read something you disagree with.

90% of what is posted on lets run is nonsensical noise produced by inconsequential people such as yourself.

I'm talking about when she is at races. Have you been around her at races as I have for the last 10 years? She definitely has that "look at me" vibe.

johnnyb. wrote:

Was this sexism prevalent in the track/xc teams? If yes, give some examples. Call them out. I think kvb needs to start getting specific.

Did you read the interview? There's nothing veiled or implied-yet-unspoken in her words; Kate didn't seed any hints that the track program in particular was at the heart of what she found disturbing about Duke -- if anything she went out of her way to characterize her running-related experiences there and her overall impressions of campus life in different ways.

Also, I don't get why some people interpret what she said as being dismissive of or contemptuous toward other women students. Look, a lot of people on this site are in far better physical shape than the average American/Briton/Canadian/whatever. We would probably cheer if more people rejected the lure of junk food and ignored all of those bazillion-dollar ads on TV and the Web and in print urging us to stuff our faces with garbage regardless of the consequences. But being perhaps scornful of the infinite array shitty diets and poor food choices doesn't mean that we're making moral judgments about our less-than-svelte peers; we might just like things to be different for everyone, because there's a lot that could be improved on out there, things that would benefit even those not directly suffering adverse consequences of the problem at hand right now. That's where I see Kate V-B coming from. Perhaps if people viewed her comments in that light -- seeing her not as a judge and jury or a man-hating bitch but as someone making a casually worded plea for change -- they wouldn't be so quick to tear her apart.