PLEASE LET THIS TIRED THREAD DIE
PLEASE LET THIS TIRED THREAD DIE
The specific sport federations provide all the work at each of the venues for the IOC. If the IAAF changed the reading, that was only because it was obviously wrong or read wrong at the time, since all the other 100m races were into a headwind. And Wells would have peaked for the Olympics, not Zurich, morone, to use your spelling style, and he held it long enough to win at Koblenz. You don't have a leg to stand on in this particular debate. Come on: show that you are reasonable by admitting when you're wrong. Then you'll get actual credence when you insist you're right, with good reason.
jjjjjj wrote:The specific sport federations provide all the work at each of the venues for the IOC
nonsense
it is an IOC meet
the IOC runs it & whoever they employ as officials is up to them
iaaf have nothing to do with olympics
do you see iaaf officials running zurich or oslo ???
If the IAAF changed the reading, that was only because it was obviously wrong or read wrong at the time, since all the other 100m races were into a headwind
utter nonsense
iaaf had no jurisdiction in the olympics
they had no power to change anything as they weren't even there in an official capacity !!!
do you see iaaf change wind readings in zurich or oslo ???
IOC said in official report wind was +1.11
that is the only reading ever given by IOC & it's official
And Wells would have peaked for the Olympics, not Zurich, morone
as woud americans if they were there you moron
to use your spelling style, and he held it long enough to win at Koblenz
totally clueless
zurich was big post games match-up & floyd hammered him
wells lost 2 v 1 to americans after games
hardly a "worthy" champ
You don't have a leg to stand on in this particular debate
utter nonsense
americans beat wells 2 v 1 post-games & crushed him in zurich
Come on: show that you are reasonable by admitting when you're wrong
utter nonsense
floyd was best 100 guy in '80
he showed it with zurich crushing of wells
Then you'll get actual credence when you insist you're right, with good reason
i have no idea what this gobbledygook is supposed to mean ?!
I think we need another White champion. I propose a song... In the year 3033 a White man will arrive. For track and field to survive......
just to engender interest as much as anything.
Thing is, people have come to expect athletes of African descent to run fast. Lemaitre and Su Bingtian breaking 10 adds interest.
There could well be more non atypical sprinters breaking 10 this year - watch for Richard Kilty, Peimeng Zhang, Yoshi Kiryu, John Teeters and others who are already in the 10 zeros, early season
sorry, hate that double negative. Read "more atypical sprinters"
Allan Wells - Stanley Floyd. 1980
My this is an old monster, but as the Internet has proved over the years a necessary monster. Here's my take on it.
First of all the 200m Wells was faster. Wells 20.21pb Floyd 20.41, plus Wells beat him 2v0 in the 2 in 81. So Wells comes out ahead on the 200
100m yep Floyd had a terrific season home and abroad, but his fastest in Europe was 10.13 in Luxemburg, and had a 2v1 against Wells, but Wells had first blood in Germany and afterwards said he was satisfied, so could've come home after that and been justified, but he attended two more 100's for decent fees for the day, where he finished 2nd and 3rd, Latany only beat him once out of three, Floyd twice, and Wells beat Lewis, Glance and the rest of the boycotters three times in 80, so this absence of the boycotters of Moscow boils down to one American, would've been two but Jimmy Sandford would've been injured anyway.
End of the day I wish there had of been no boycott, but there was.
There's an article on the net I read where both Floyd and Wells speak of their regret of the boycott, and affects them even 36 years later.
Did nobody see that BBC panorama documentary last year where Wells was outed as a notorious doper?
UisPointless wrote:
Did nobody see that BBC panorama documentary last year where Wells was outed as a notorious doper?
Yes. We all did.
The best athletes in the world in any professional sport use performance enhancers
What's new?
Yes I did, sir, but ended up with no proof, no witness's , no testament, just the bitterness and jealousy of a dodgy mediocre ex average sprinter named drew McMaster, who admitted to doping in 95 and hoped others would say the same, but they didn't.
Steve Hanson wrote:Allan Wells - Stanley Floyd. 1980
My this is an old monster, but as the Internet has proved over the years a necessary monster. Here's my take on it.
First of all the 200m Wells was faster. Wells 20.21pb Floyd 20.41, plus Wells beat him 2v0 in the 2 in 81. So Wells comes out ahead on the 200
no one cares about the 200
100m yep Floyd had a terrific season home and abroad, but his fastest in Europe was 10.13 in Luxemburg
hardly the meet he was aiming to peak for
he ran 10.07 that year, faster than wells 10.11
and had a 2v1 against Wells, but Wells had first blood in Germany and afterwards said he was satisfied
good for him
except it was at unknown koblenz
except that the main meet of euro season is zurich & wells got whupped there
so could've come home after that and been justified, but he attended two more 100's for decent fees for the day, where he finished 2nd and 3rd
he wouda known all along that zurich was the real showdown & he got whupped there
Latany only beat him once out of three, Floyd twice, and Wells beat Lewis, Glance and the rest of the boycotters three times in 80, so this absence of the boycotters of Moscow boils down to one American, would've been two but Jimmy Sandford would've been injured anyway
bottom line
wells got beat by 2 boycotters after games & never ran as fast as main boycotter that year
you back up a gold with fastest time of year
this is 100m running, not 10k
the losses & slower sb hugely devalued his gold
Stanley Floyd cared about the 200, otherwise why did he compete in it? And the only reason you don't care about it is you know the Americans wouldn't of touched Mennea-Wells-Quarrie-Leonard in Moscow.
10.07 to 10.11 is hardly decisively faster, I would say they were on a par. 2 reasons why Floyd wasn't number 1.
1. If Floyd had run under 10 then yeah, I would agree, but he didn't.
2. Floyd and his coach were very vocal, promising a victory against Wells in Koln, and referring it to the real Olympics. Koln was the biggest meet after Moscow, with the biggest appearance fee, biggest tv coverage with the BBC and so many boycotters turned up they had to have a preminary round.
Zurich was hardly a whupping, nor was Brussels , both were lower key after Germany, and the American team knew it.
Finally his gold didn't come cheap, he beat the much favoured Cubans, one a 9.98pb and also were camped up in Moscow for some time previous.
The boycot was Americas fault, irony been they invaded it later anyway. Typical of children their age.
Wells beat everyone that year, Sanford injury means he's null and void, so doesn't count, wells was also faster than Latany, even the rankings agree with that. So the only challenger was Floyd, and that will remain a what if...what won't be an if is Allan Wells is the 1980 Olympic 100 metre champion.
The only strange thing about Alan Wells is this post.
Starting blocks were pretty standard in sprint league and championship races in Scotland at the time of Wells, and I doubt he would have been as unfamiliar with them as you suggest.
Scotland isn't cold enough to affect training in the way you suggest. Scottish tracks are full of people training outdoors, even in the winter, as in other countries such as Russian, The Ukraine, Canada, Norway, etc. which suffer much colder climates. Alan Wells regularly trained at Meadowbank, which is an outdoor track in Edinburgh and which has been regularly filled with athletes, many of them sprinters, for decades. There is an indoor "straight" track but the weather certainly doesn't prevent sprinters training outdoors there even for most of the winter. There are several other similar tracks in Scotland. The plyometric type focus does seem to be a trend of coaching for the grass track races in Highland Games which are popular, but it isn't all that unusual - seen Jamaican athletes doing plenty of it.
Olympic gold doesn't need backing up. It makes you an Olympic champion for life.
Wrong.
It makes you Olympic Champion for at least a century or more.
Don't know, culculo, you're the one with all the big ideas, and the fantasies of what never was.
Wells started as a journeyman athlete who discovered sprinting at 23yo, he started mediocre but got involved with sprint coach Wilson young who tapped into his potential, and Wells embraced it.
Your prob seems to be your comparing Wells to today, but it was 36 years ago, and back then the world record was 9.95, Wells best was 10.11, so for the day he was elite. The mere fact that a sprinter could finish in the top 4 and rub shoulders with the best sprinters available proved he was elite.
Any sportsperson who ranks as high as Wells did, whether golf, tennis, motor racing etc would be ranked as world class.
Any sprinter under 10.20/20.40 back then was elite, not today, but certainly back then.
Did you see the doc? Probably not, no proof, none! No witness's came out the woodwork, just McMaster (self-confessed doper) who's been screaming the same poison since the 90's.
Mcmasters nothing but an envious and bitter lowlife, he even tried dragging Cameron Sharp into it, but Sharp told him where to go. The fact Mcmaster patheticly scours the nation hunting for backers to discredit Wells proves there's no credence in these allegations.
Robbed of gold by whom?! At very least show a tadge of transparency with that post. Did Allan Wells stop the Americans going to Moscow? Mmm? It was your president carter that stopped the yanks coming over. Do you know your history?! That's the question.
Devalued Olympic Gold Medal LOL pathetic, green eyed monster syndrome lives on.
Whatever happened to you've got to be in it to win it?
If and I emphasise on if here Floyd had won 3v0, won the 81 100 golden sprint and lasted as wells did then I would be amongst the first to crow it, but he was only around 79-82, didn't qualify for the World Cup, got owned by wells in the goldens 81, and couldn't double up on the sprints the way Wells could.
Do I think US are in Afghanistan to gain territory? I don't know, but I do know America has mass blood on its hands and earned billions of dollars from others misery. Tell me, did the US boycott save anybody? If they did save someone in Afghanistan back then, then ooo raah!
Leonard was world class opposition, and you know it, do you know your history? Leonard had mustard form right up until after the Moscow Olympics.
The boycott probably affects more people than I thought, good luck with that, hope you can find peace.
Love the hypocrisy of dope accusers, you could say the same about Floyd, in 1979 still an unknown on the 100 rankings, then in 80. Bang! 10.07 out of nowhere. Doper? Probably, but he's not alone, US athletics has a prestigious history of it, as has Russia.
Steve Hanson wrote:Don't know, culculo, you're the one with all the big ideas, and the fantasies of what never was
eh ??
you seem to have no clue about sprinting
Wells started as a journeyman athlete who discovered sprinting at 23yo
which is too late
this adds suspicion to his exploits
he started mediocre but got involved with sprint coach Wilson young who tapped into his potential, and Wells embraced it
& according to GB documentary a steroid-dishing team doc
Your prob seems to be your comparing Wells to today
utter nonsense
i was hugely aware of 100 times back in late-'70s
but it was 36 years ago
wow
and back then the world record was 9.95, Wells best was 10.11, so for the day he was elite
no
he wasn't
elite back in '80 meant < 10.10pb
the all-time low-altitde list as of moscow was ~
- sanford 10.02
- hines 10.03
- silvio 10.03
- riddick 10.05 into a 1.2 in zurich !!!
- Big Bob running 10.06 on chewed up dirt in '64 gold
- haseley 10.06 for gold in '76
- borzov 10.07 in '72 prelim easing off at finish with both arms in air !!
- quarrie 10.07 for silver in '76
- clancy 10.07 in '78
- williams 10.07 into a wind in zurich '78
- floyd 10.07 in '80
wells 10.11 didn't even make top-10 all time after final of moscow !!!
The mere fact that a sprinter could finish in the top 4 and rub shoulders with the best sprinters available proved he was elite
for a boycott year
Any sportsperson who ranks as high as Wells did, whether golf, tennis, motor racing etc would be ranked as world class
world class for '80 but not the best in '80 who was available to run if not for boycott
Any sprinter under 10.20/20.40 back then was elite, not today, but certainly back then
no
a 100m champ in '80 shouda had 10.0x ability as hines/borzov/hasely showed in '68/'72/'76
wells didn't
no one cared about 200 back then
20.30 was world class back then
Did you see the doc?
is this a joke ???
it's in a documentary in your own country !!!
Probably not, no proof, none!
i'll take research of your own domestic tv channel over your opinion
No witness's came out the woodwork
they want to shy away
bttom line : tv documentary in your own country said team doc provided steroids to wells
just McMaster (self-confessed doper) who's been screaming the same poison since the 90's
no
i believe tape recordings of the doc also
Mcmasters nothing but an envious and bitter lowlife, he even tried dragging Cameron Sharp into it, but Sharp told him where to go
no
other evidence
tape recordings of doc
The fact Mcmaster patheticly scours the nation hunting for backers to discredit Wells proves there's no credence in these allegations
laughable !!!
the documentary on your national tv was not just about some bitter 2nd stringer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-32883944